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To: kosta50; betty boop
And physical laws are "universal" only insofar as we have been able to observe and measure.

Actually, I believe a theory would lose its status as a "law" if it were ever shown to not be universal to the system. Note that all physical systems are finite.

Mathematical structures are universal per se and do not have a physical caveat (e.g. Tegmark's Level IV.) For instance, whether a circle (plane) exists in this galaxy or another, in this universe or another, whether large or small, physical or non-physical, etc. - pi is the ratio of the circle's circumference to its diameter.

539 posted on 03/27/2010 10:51:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50; spunkets; Quix; metmom; allmendream
kosta wrote: And physical laws are "universal" only insofar as we have been able to observe and measure.

To which you replied, dearest sister in Christ: Actually, I believe a theory would lose its status as a "law" if it were ever shown to not be universal to the system. Note that all physical systems are finite.

What on earth is kosta talking about? On what basis would we be "observing and measuring" anything in the first place, if we didn't already presuppose a universal criterion by which such activities could be evaluated and judged in the first place? The existence of which kosta (and others) want us "to prove" to his satisfaction — notwithstanding that he himself has been standing on it all the time?

Self-contradictions just continue to pile up....

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your most perceptive essay/post!

569 posted on 03/28/2010 12:24:54 PM PDT by betty boop (The personal is not the public's business. See: the Ninth Amendment.)
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