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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; metmom; betty boop; Quix; xzins
Thank you for your reply!

I apologize for taking so long to get back to you and this thread. It's been hectic around here...

That Young Earth Creationists call themselves Creationist does not constitute a trademark.

Absent a trademark filing, anyone who believes that Creation happened whether Christian, Jew, Muslim or whatever has just as much right to call themselves Creationist.

Personally, I perceive no conflict at all between God the Father's revelation in 1) the Person of Jesus Christ, 2) the Person of the indwelling Holy Spirit, 3) Scriptures and 4) Creation both spiritual and physical.

I agree with Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder that, applying relativity and the inflationary theory, an equivalent week at the inception space/time coordinates equals approximately 15 billion years at our present space/time coordinates. For my "primer" on matter, relativity and beginnings, click here.

I also perceive the first three chapters of Genesis referring to the Creation of both heaven and earth, spiritual and physical - that God is the only observer and the author, the perspective is His, not man's. The events He describes are not ipso facto occuring in the physical realm (emphasis mine.)

These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. – Genesis 2:4-5

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. – Genesis 2:9

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. – Revelation 2:7

The observer perspective doesn't change to Adamic man's until the beginning of chapter 4, when Adam has been banished to mortality.

I likewise agree with some early Christians and Jews that Adamic man was appointed a week which is 7,000 years and that the last day, the Sabbath, is Christ's 1,000 year reign on earth. Depending on whether one uses Christian dating or Jewish dating, Christ is due to return any time now or in a couple of centuries.

Bottom line, I'm YEC from the inception space/time coordinates and OEC from our present space/time coordinates.

I am a Creationist.

Truly, there is no excuse for anyone to not be a Creationist:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Romans 1:20

God's Name is I AM.

536 posted on 03/27/2010 10:30:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Absent a trademark filing, anyone who believes that Creation happened whether Christian, Jew, Muslim or whatever has just as much right to call themselves Creationist.

And that without being crammed into the *creationist* box of the evos making.

560 posted on 03/28/2010 6:33:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; metmom
That Young Earth Creationists call themselves Creationist does not constitute a trademark.

Absent a trademark filing, anyone who believes that Creation happened whether Christian, Jew, Muslim or whatever has just as much right to call themselves Creationist.

Sure. But none of them do. I've never heard anyone who accepted the theory of evolution call themselves a creationist, and despite asking several times, no one has shown me such an example (from somewhere other than these discussions). I'm talking about what the word means as it is used, not what it could hypothetically mean.

And my point is that this definition of "creationist" isn't something evos came up with to disparage people who believe in creation. You said, in the post I was responding to,

Some want the term narrowly construed to match their seemingly favorite target, the Young Earth Creationists.
More recently, metmom referred to "the *creationist* box of the evos making." Your insistence that it's evos who made up the anti-evolution aspect of the term "creationism" is just wrong, historically and according to common usage. You can't change that just by asserting that anyone who believes in Creation is a Creationist.

If you want to start a movement to redefine the word, that's fine with me. Get a bunch of people who believe in an old earth, God as the creator, and evolution to start calling themselves creationists, and maybe your redefinition will eventually become accepted. But in the meantime, don't act like it's just the mean ol' evos who made up this definition you don't like--we're just using the term the YECs asked us to use.

I'll ask again: since many people, as you acknowledge, accept both God the Creator and evolution, and by your standards should be called creationists, what term would you suggest for those who are anti-evolution because it conflicts with their beliefs about Creation?

574 posted on 03/28/2010 3:05:39 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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