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To: Texas Songwriter
Why do you make this harder than it needs to be? I defined creation in a very classical manner. You have derrided those who are adherents to one of (I suspect creatio ex nihilo) the theories of creation. I have not, in this thread said which view I hold, although I suppose you divined my view when you referenced "Creationists generally are lacking in that ability....". I am an extemely straight talking person.

Extremely straight talking? LOL You gave three definitions of creationism, creatio ex nihilo, creatio ex deo, and creatio ex materia. Are you claiming that all three definitions are equivalent? Is there a reason why you aren't stating which one you believe in?

Are you deliberately trying not to provide a straight answer or are you unable to provide a straight answer? Either way you are providing evidence for my original statement.

109 posted on 03/23/2010 2:31:36 PM PDT by LeGrande (The government wants to make a new Government program (Health Care) to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande; Texas Songwriter
Extremely straight talking?

From the guy who upthread told everyone that everything he says and believes (his truth) is meaningless.

What a hoot!!!!

TS. Your definitions simply don't match his, or what he wants them to be, ergo he considers them not valid.

More of that meaningless chemical activity that he claims passes for thought and reasoning.

110 posted on 03/23/2010 2:34:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande
Extremely straight talking? LOL You gave three definitions of creationism, creatio ex nihilo, creatio ex deo, and creatio ex materia. Are you claiming that all three definitions are equivalent? Is there a reason why you aren't stating which one you believe in?

I am going to try not to be angered by your ignorant statements. The world is not as simple as a single definition, and you stating I gave you 3 definitions for creation is not the same as saying I gave you three basic views of the origin of the universe. In a civil attempt to broach the subject of cosmologies I simply started a conversation with you. I cannot say all things in a single simple post.

Regarding your insinuation that that I fear stating my personal understanding of origin, all you have to do is ask. I will tell you that I believe in Creatio ex nihilo, moreover I believe that the only reasonable explaination is that this spacetime, matter, energy continuum in which we find ourselves is a Theistic Christian Universe, and assert that any other cannot be logically, reasonably, and by rational thought be accounted for. I hope that is clear. I will tell you, moreover, that the Transendental argument of the existence of God is that without the existence of God you cannot prove anything. That is because in an atheistic world you cannot justify, you cannot account for, laws, in general: philosophically the laws of thought, laws of nature, laws of logic, the laws of reason. Atheism and materialism cannot account for logic, reason, or rational thought, or conciousness, or any other abstract idea and therefore cannot materially account for even their claims of being logical and adherents to scientific inquiry and method cannot be accounted for. The laws of logic cannot be accounted for in a materialists worldview. The very 'claim' that the atheist materialist is the protector of reason and logic is absurd on its face and is in fact the proof that God does exist. I do not say materialists cannot be logical. To the contrary, they may use the laws of logic while denying the Origin of the very logic which they claim they champion. When asked what is the chemical formula or the molecular weight of logic or consciousness, they feign outrage and begin with ad hominem attacks such as you have demonstrated in a thinly veiled attempt to avoid the questions which I put to you.These question of molecular weights and chemical formula are used, not to embarrass, but to put you inside your own thought domain and allow you to come to a conclusion yourself, if you decided to use the step-by-step reasoning and logic the materialist cannot account for.

Tee it up, fellow. I will answer any serious question you put to me. I will not be as nice as I might otherwise have been. I will be blunt and to the point with you. I will not call names. I will not answer inane questions. I will dialogue with you, but I will not take the time to induldge your foolish comentary.

117 posted on 03/23/2010 3:32:30 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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