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To: metmom
You CANNOT have a wholesome society without conventional rules. It's the conventional rules which make society wholesome.
Now we have something to agree on. We *need conventional rules*. The problem is that society is changing so fast that the old rules don't work anymore. It's easy to enforce rules in a small town where everyone knows everyone. In a society where everyone's bouncing from city to city, much less so. What can we do to come up with a set of rules that work? That's the kind of conservative manifesto I want to see.
85 posted on 03/09/2010 1:49:50 PM PST by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu

DUH!!! If you’re making up new rules, they’re not conventional rules.

You can’t have conventional rules and new ones at the same time.


90 posted on 03/09/2010 1:52:35 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ketsu

The old rules always worked just fine. We didn’t need a manifesto. The rules were the same from one town to the next, from the farms to the high-rises. we don’t need your progressive confusion to set things straight, so to speak.


92 posted on 03/09/2010 1:53:37 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: ketsu

We don’t need new conventional rules. We have some here that work just fine.

Exodus 20

1 And God spoke all these words, saying,

2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”


93 posted on 03/09/2010 1:54:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ketsu; metmom; BykrBayb; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; scripter; DirtyHarryY2K; xzins; P-Marlowe
The problem is that society is changing so fast that the old rules don't work anymore.

Moral relativism has ALWAYS been at the core of libertarianism.

What can we do to come up with a set of rules that work? That's the kind of conservative manifesto I want to see.

The same moral principles that have worked for six thousand years still work today and conservatives already know this.

94 posted on 03/09/2010 1:54:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ketsu

Getting back to old conventional rules is what’s going to work and make marriage work.

Bet rid of this homosexual marriage nonsense which is Satan’s attempt to destroy this culture, and get back to traditional male/female marriage.

The best thing to do to fix the problem is not redefine marriage but to teach people how to make marriage and families work.


95 posted on 03/09/2010 1:56:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ketsu

Laws and societal standards already have existed; no new ones need to be made up. The people making up new rules are leftists and that includes liber(al)tarians.

The rules and standards that already exist are based on universal natural law. Natural law says that a father must be a man, and a mother must be a woman, and you need one of each to make and raise a baby.

It’s not rocket science.

And Thomas Jefferson had this to say:

“Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in which all religions agree.”

—Thomas Jefferson


101 posted on 03/09/2010 1:59:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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