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Five Myths about Same Sex Marriage
Townhall.com ^ | March 9, 2010 | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 03/09/2010 12:18:39 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Yep, I knew what the book was about before I read it, but it still blew me away.


201 posted on 03/09/2010 5:37:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; christianhomeschoolmommaof3

An excellent read.

Lewis really exposes the mind games that go on. After reading that, when you come across liberal logic (for lack of a better term) you really see it for what it is.

You learn to recognize stealth support for evil.


202 posted on 03/09/2010 5:58:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: little jeremiah

This article looks great - I’ll have more time tomorrow to do it justice.


203 posted on 03/09/2010 7:13:58 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Re the War on Obesity: how can you have multiculturalism if you can't have any ethnic carbs & fats?)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I haven’t read it all myself! Tomorrow... As usual trying to do a bunch of things at once and then got locked into the little debate about a “conservative manifesto” - somehow those words just don’t sound right together.


204 posted on 03/09/2010 7:21:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

You sound like me - I find myself busy in places I didn’t even know I was going to. LOL!

The word “manifesto” is usually coupled with “communist.” To hear it with “conservative” does sound strange, initially.


205 posted on 03/09/2010 7:27:18 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Re the War on Obesity: how can you have multiculturalism if you can't have any ethnic carbs & fats?)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

It’ll sound even stranger when you read the whole thread...


206 posted on 03/09/2010 7:31:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: metmom

“There is no neutral position on marriage that the government can take. It either supports it or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then it’s undermining it maybe inadvertently but definitely through inaction.”

Are two people with a piece of paper from the gubberment married? Are two people without a piece of paper from the gubberment but who are married in their faith married? What if the gubberment stopped giving out pieces of paper saying people are married because a particular faith wouldn’t play ball with the gubberment idea of marriage (which includes “gay marriage”)? Would people be less married in that Church because of that?

Freegards


207 posted on 03/09/2010 9:50:40 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: little jeremiah; Darksheare
That’s often because they like evil and think it is “good”. They also think good is “evil”.

John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

208 posted on 03/10/2010 5:08:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: P-Marlowe; ketsu; little jeremiah; wagglebee; metmom; BykrBayb

Here’s a coherent conservative strategy for changing the face of America.

1. Take back the education of our children....’cause we’re the only ones having children.

2. Provide a better media alternative that turns America our direction


209 posted on 03/10/2010 8:09:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin
Will we protect marriage as the primary institution protecting women and children, or will we surrender to the forces that claim ...that adults can do anything they want in their sexual lives regardless of how those actions affect society...?

Men also are protected by marriage. Research has shown that (heterosexually) married men live longer and are happier than single men.

210 posted on 03/10/2010 9:13:28 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: ketsu
The real question you should be asking is, which is better, a single parent home or a gay one? I've seen a lot of single parent families where the parents are absolutely *worthless* , I've also seen homosexual(male) couples who absolutely doted on their children and raised them right.

No, not really. Anyone can always find exceptions; but the preponderance of the research still supports heterosexual marriage hands down.

Two wrongs don't make a right. There are some social institutions too vital to discard, even when they are in disrepair. Marriage is a fundamental building block of society and must not be allowed to be thrown out because of the carelessness of recent generations, much of which has been fueled and funded by communist and atheist activists with the specific purpose of bringing down our Constitution.

211 posted on 03/10/2010 9:20:27 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: In veno, veritas
On Myth 2, it assumes that there is a right to marriage.

During our nation's most radical judicial era before this one, the post-Roe years of the 70s, our courts made many decisions equating any distinction between the married and the unmarried as egregious "discrimination." They also upheld the right to marry of persons who were clearly unfit, such as a man who had abandoned two sets of children by previous marriages and then was turned down for a new marriage license in his state, where the taxpayers were supporting his abandoned children. The case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which ruled that his "right" to marry trumped his personal irresponsibility. I wish I could remember the name of the case, and can look it up if anyone has their panties in a wad over it; I cited it a dozen years ago in my grad thesis.

212 posted on 03/10/2010 9:25:49 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
Traditional marriage is equally available to heterosexuals and homosexuals. Homosexuals (most anyway) freely choose not to enter into it, to pursue a different lifestyle that precludes marriage.

One of the gravest difficulties of this entire scenario is the person who indulges in gay behavior, but gets married to a person of the opposite sex anyway and has children. When society upholds a single standard for marriage, many children get caught up in this disgrace and sham. Unfortunately, the liberal "no-fault" society does not see this kind of betrayal of vows as a crime, since a commitment of great value is wasted by the double-dealing spouse; but the logical protection for children is to prosecute for adultery as we did in the past, or at least deny custody.

But nooooooo.

213 posted on 03/10/2010 9:31:03 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
this begs the question. What do you do with children that *don’t* come from “one flesh” families? Love them.

The gay rights movement makes a fundamental error in confusing sentimentality with love. Real love is self-sacrificing for the highest good of the other person. Certainly, that is the opposite of what a gay "parent" does, in denying the child his or her birthright of blood relations and family history.

As the renowned gay wit, Oscar Wilde, once said, "Sentimentality is loving people more than God would."

214 posted on 03/10/2010 9:34:18 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: DuncanWaring
There has never been a “right” to marry...

Unfortunately, our radical courts invented such a right, post-Brown and Roe. See post 212.

215 posted on 03/10/2010 9:38:37 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: MrB
Well, besides the destruction of the family and Christianity, the other defining aspect of all leftist policies is that the irresponsible have their consequences paid for by the responsible, by force, and without the permission of the responsible.

Wow! What a shame this "pithy" summation is too long for a tagline! That's one for the ages...

216 posted on 03/10/2010 9:40:23 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: ketsu; wagglebee; little jeremiah; Maelstorm
Single parenting is awful. Worse than homosexuals from my experience.

Your experience does not a reliable statistic make.

Every time we have a gay marriage thread to discuss social policy, we have a few posters who claim that because they know someone who is gay and whom they like, gay marriage should be legal. This is not an appropriate way to determine policy for the whole of society, particularly those children who are harmed by being buffeted about or abused in gay relationships.

If you have not looked at the big picture, it really doesn't matter how well your gay poster boys are doing in their situation. They know they are on display as pioneers, and are careful of what they do. But as soon as society "normalizes" gay "marriage" and "parenting" for everyone, the barriers will come crashing down.

As two examples, take a look at the case of Frank Lombard, who got cocky living in a gay commune and having a gayness-related official position at Duke University, and then purposely adopted a boy and not only began abusing him as an infant, but also pimping him out online at age 5. Did I mention that Lombard lived in a committed relationship with a gay partner, and was also a youth leader in his local Episcopal church? And how about the Jesse Dirkhisking case, in which Jesse's parents were politically correct enough to let him hang out with gay "family friends" -- and he ended up torture-raped to death.

Political correctness demands that homosexual child abuse be viewd no differently than heterosexual child abuse. That is pure crap. If there can be an additional measure of "hate" crimes because a person's "gay identity" is assaulted, there can certainly be an additional measure of assault against a child's identity when there is an assault by a homosexual.

Homosexual "parenting" is by its very nature a form of child abuse. It messes with a child's most basic, "needs-no-explanation" self-image -- as a being who was created through natural means by a man and a woman as an act not only of love, but of lifelong relationship to parents, even if those parents are less than ideal. They are, and will always be, the biological parents, and they pass along a measure of natural identity that all the laws in the world can never change.

The marriage of a man and a woman is so basic and natural that it pre-dated America, the Supreme Court, and a host of recent secular rationales such as gay civil rights theory or the sham of "gay identity". And it will outlast them, as well.

217 posted on 03/10/2010 10:15:43 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: anotherview
If marriage is a holy sacrament, is that really the business of government?

Government is only necessary when natural laws are broken in any arena of life.

Regarding marriage, government exists to safeguard abandoned, abused or neglected children and/or abandoned spouses, heirs, and/or family members who are (or become) disabled.

218 posted on 03/10/2010 10:20:00 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: Albion Wilde

Don’t fall into the marriage license trap. ALL American law comes from English common law and the English began issuing marriage licenses in the 14th century, this was done as a convenience to eliminate the banns of marriage that were issued earlier. To say that marriage isn’t any of the government’s business is the same as saying that ALL laws regarding marriage should be ignored and this would include polygamy, incest and the marriage of children.


219 posted on 03/10/2010 10:33:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Non-Sequitur; Kaslin
"Society opens the floodgates of cultural destruction if marriage becomes meaningless."
Easy divorce laws have already done that. Marriage has gone from a lifetime commitment to a temporary union that lasts only until something better comes along. And when that time comes then the interests of the children are pretty much tossed out with the rest of the marriage. So I'm sorry, you can't blame same-sex couples for trivializing marriage and making it meaningless. That happened a long time ago.

The purposeful efforts of the communist-founded ACLU, the feminists and a variety of other atheist activists since the 1960s have been to destroy marriage, because they know it is the wellspring of privacy and individual liberty that is also tempered and refined by moral values. They have succeeded very well, if not as completely as they wish. Millions of lives have been ruined, quite purposely, by their heartless disregard for the truth of human nature. Blaming "society" now for what 50 years of elites have done will not fix the problem.

Conservatives badly need a coherent line of legal thought and test cases before the SCOTUS to re-establish the rights of the moral population -- "feminist theory", "civil rights theory", "critical theory" and test cases are how the satanic activists have dismantled our society. If Obama gets to appoint another radical looney to the Courts, all may be lost.

220 posted on 03/10/2010 10:40:23 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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