Posted on 03/09/2010 12:18:39 PM PST by Kaslin
Laws and societal standards already have existed; no new ones need to be made up. The people making up new rules are leftists and that includes liber(al)tarians.
The rules and standards that already exist are based on universal natural law. Natural law says that a father must be a man, and a mother must be a woman, and you need one of each to make and raise a baby.
It’s not rocket science.
And Thomas Jefferson had this to say:
“Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in which all religions agree.”
—Thomas Jefferson
The old rules always worked just fine. We didn’t need a manifesto. The rules were the same from one town to the next, from the farms to the high-rises. we don’t need your progressive confusion to set things straight, so to speak.I can decisively say they don't. If they still did they would still work in more conservative societies like Korea, Japan or Germany.
So what do you mean by “convention”?
Miriam Webster online:
3 a : usage or custom especially in social matters
b : a rule of conduct or behavior
c : a practice in bidding or playing that conveys information between partners in a card game (as bridge)
d : an established technique, practice, or device (as in the theater)
Yup. There really IS nothing new under the sun.
On the contrary, I’m not ignoring some of the definitions of the word as you are.
“The issue is far more complicated...”
What utter poppycock. It isn’t complicated at all. You do not hand children over to deviants. Ever.
“...getting angry about homos.”
Calling homosexuals deviants is stating a fact. There is nothing “angry” about it.
Moral relativism has ALWAYS been at the core of libertarianism.Again, morality is not relative, it's adaptive. Even supposed moral absolutists complete change their supposed moral absolutes from generation to generation.
I'm not saying "let's all sing kumbayah and love each other", I'm wondering what a modern conservativism that meaningfully advocated family values would look like.
If you truly believe that conservative values don’t work, why are you posting here?
The real question should be “should we allow incompetent or unwilling people to be parents?”. Marriage died as an institution in the ‘60s. Society is falling apart and so far the best options we, as conservatives, can come up with is flailing around at a bunch of homos. Which is just the tip of a very large iceberg.
Marriage died? I’m married and it is a good one. Almost all my friends have good marriages. You are posting your opinions as though they are fact. Nonsense.
Sure society is damaged but supporting the very hedonism and rebellion against natural law that is causing the damage is not the way to bring peace and stablity!
Every society has been tainted by the lie that "self" is more important than anything else. You make it easier to divorce and more people will get one. You make it easier to have welfare baby after welfare baby and there will be more. The problem is letting people off easy from paying for the consequences of their actions.
Even supposed moral absolutists complete change their supposed moral absolutes from generation to generation.
What on earth??? Murder isn’t murder any more? Adultery isn’t adultery any more?
You’re insane.
If you truly believe that conservative values don’t work, why are you posting here?Notice that I'm always careful to use the term "modern conservatism" when I describe what I don't like. There's a difference.
Why are you supporting the homosexual agenda? Be precise, specific, and detailed, please.
I’ve noticed you have your own definition for many words. Please try to use the established definitions when posting on a conservative site. Save your newspeak for the liberal forums.
Just how many grown children of “stable homosexual parents” have you been in contact with? The very idea of homosexual “couples” raising children together is rather new. Even today, there are very few of these couples, and most would only have young children.
I have little doubt that the number kids old enough to mug someone, raised by a pair of homosexual parents (”stable” or otherwise) is statistically insignificant. And even if they don’t mug you, they might well molest your child.
I think you should keep in mind that Free Republic does NOT support the homosexual agenda in any way. This is a forum for Conservatives, not for promoting homosexualism.
It is just as much as the other "moral" oriented laws that find criminal sanction against murder, homicide, fraud, theft, libel, all of which are biblical prohibitions.
Marriage died? I’m married and it is a good one. Almost all my friends have good marriages. You are posting your opinions as though they are fact. Nonsense.Do your friends live in inner-city Philadelphia?Sure society is damaged but supporting the very hedonism and rebellion against natural law that is causing the damage is not the way to bring peace and stablity!
You misunderstand, I'm saying that instead of flailing around about things we don't like(eg. homosexuals) a far more productive track would be a way of actually making sure natural law was rewarded.
In the old days, fornication led to bastards, disease and ostracism. It still does to some extent, but not nearly as much.
The reason inner city Philly is rotten (or at least one of the main reasons) is AFDC, along with food stamps, HUD and other bennies for unwed mothers. The rate of illigitemacy among blacks before all of these was about 20%, now it’s about 80%. I agree that rewarding bad behavior does nothing but increase it.
The culture is also toxic. But the homosexual agenda is part and parcel of the hedonist/reject traditional rules/if it feels good do it problem.
Marriage is not a failure as an instituton. Individual marriages become failures because of individual people. Might as well say that the institution called a constitutional republic is a failure because of the individuals in government who shouldn’t be there
I’ve noticed you have your own definition for many words. Please try to use the established definitions when posting on a conservative site. Save your newspeak for the liberal forums.I think you have it backwards.
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