(Missouri Rep.) Cleaver: Obama doesn't have the votes to pass health care reform (201 out of 216)

Kansas City Star ^ | March 8, 2010 | Steve Kraske

[Second Amendment First]

Congressman Emanuel Cleaver said today on KCUR's "Up to Date" that President Barack Obama doesn't have the votes to pass health care reform in the U.S. House.

"We're not at 217," Cleaver said, referring to the number needed to pass the bill.

Later, the three-term Democrat from Kansas City said the passage number could be 216 given vacancies in the House.

The count today, Cleaver said, is about 201 health care supporters.

That number, he added, could fluctuate significantly as a final vote nears.

Listen to the show, that also featured Kansas Congressman Dennis Moore, here.

[Buckeye McFrog]

if you are a wavering Dem and you take Rahm’s deal, be forewarned that Republicans will...

- expose you
- publicly humiliate you
- cut the funding and repeal whatever goodies you
were promised ten minutes after we become the majority

[Ken H]

Good, detailed analysis of the players in the House...

Update, 12:15 PM 3/8: Moved Dan Lipinski (IL-3) to the category of Democrats who voted yea in November who have now explicitly said something negative about the current legislation. The Weekly Standard reports:

Asked if the congressman is "open to voting for a health care bill that lacks the Stupak amendment," Lipinski's spokesman Nathaniel Zimmer replied in an email to THE WEEKLY STANDARD:

"No. Congressman Lipinski will not vote for a health care bill that provides federal funding for abortion."

Lipinski was included on my list of potential Stupak Democrats. Now that he has "outed" himself as such, he goes into the list of Democratic supporters from November who are now wavering.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2010/03/counting_the_heads_of_house_de.html

[SnakeDoctor]

Hot damn.

This could be the best of all scenarios ... wherein the Democrats reveal themselves as totalitarian, oblivious to the concerns/ demands of their constitutents, free spending, incompetent, and incapable of governing in one fell swoop — with the added bonus of us not having to live with the resulting legislation.

SnakeDoc

[upchuck]

But not in the shower.

According to Massa, Emanuel, in the nude, confronted him in the congressional gym showers.

[Second Amendment First]

Kansas City is not the same place now as it was in Truman's time. The Pendergast machine and powerful unions have been replaced by racial identity politics and government unions.

Rev. Cleaver is a genial guy (I had some playful banter with him at a freep about a decade ago when Clinton was in town), but is totally co-opted by the CBC and the dem machine. I do believe his numbers he states here.

[elephant]

He lies! He is my congress critter and I dont believe one word this man has to say!

[savedbygrace]

Precisely why I made that reply.

[St. Louis Conservative]

There are a lot of true-believer leftists in congress, and there are a lot of spineless, out-of-touch hacks that bend to the will of Queen “let them eat cake” Pelosi.

[St. Louis Conservative]

This *could* be a big developing story with major implications for the healthcare vote. Massa is being interviewed by Beck tomorrow. Hopefully this thing gets a lot of legs. The MSM is ignoring it.....for now.

[unkus]

Bawney Fwank needs no persuasion.

[autumnraine]

He’s not staying. Resignation still stands, he is resigned as of 5:00pm.

[mwl8787]

Cleaver’s numbers are probably right on target - but the leadership is going to be LIVID that he went public with this reality - they are counting on the MSM to create momentum for BOcare.

Keep calling. The RATS are trying to wear us down.

[hattend]

They don’t have the votes to pass which bill? The Senate Bill? If it is the Senate Bill then reconciliation is moot (so far)

[GailA]

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan
OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy
Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.

Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!
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OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

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SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2466239/posts
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MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans’ G.I. Bill benefits MIA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464680/posts
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

[bigoil]

My math says San Fran Nan has 198 votes for Obamacare with another 13 Progressives ready to bolt just to make a fuss about the public option.

Today, Dodd became the 37th Senator to support a public option.

It’s dead Jim.

[newfreep]

If this health care socialization can be delayed ‘til past the elections and massive rats lose, I would not be shocked to see them pass it in Dec - just for spite - as they are walking out the door.

[GailA]

Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum: List now includes the new MAYBES, culled from FR.

PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District

Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
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Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN (MAYBE)
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928, Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

[GraceG]

>> But not in the shower.
According to Massa, Emanuel, in the nude, confronted him in the congressional gym showers. <<

Next thing you know Rahm will be mailing dead fish in the mail to people who vote no on healthcare.... Oh wait...

I guess the next step for Rahm is to start putting severed horse heads in people’s bedding....

[Second Amendment First]

Missouri is similar to my native state of Pennsylvania, liberal city on each end, state university in the middle, outweighing what most of the rest of the state wants.

I heard the widder Carnahan on the radio this morning, touting her new book. First I've heard her since she got tossed out of her dead husbands senate seat.

[Cheerio]

Let’s hope it fluctuates in the downward direction.

We can certainly hope, but I am sure man-child is out spreading cash and bribes on his latest national Obamacare tour (mostly union members are in attendance).