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To: woollyone

“Entropy and Conservation
...it’s the Law!”

The Laws of Thermodynamics do not control the way things work.

Instead, the Laws of Thermodynamics describe how things are observed to behave.

This is more than a semantic difference. Perpetual motion isn’t prevented by the laws. Describable, physical causes and effects explain the failure of a given perpetual motion machine.

The laws as written are generalizations based on observation. If we observe that some physical phenomenon contradicts an expression of a physical law, then that law needs to be re-expressed to better reflect reality, not the other way around. We can’t say that what we are seeing isn’t happening because it’s against the law.

Spontaneous generation of life from non-life fails because of compelling probabalistic arguments and the impossibly steep chemical potentials required to jump start a living system.

Citing the laws as a creationist proof is logically flawed.


93 posted on 03/02/2010 5:21:16 PM PST by UnChained ( I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves)
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To: UnChained

yes, of course. Nothing created everything, out of nothing, for no purpose whatsoever and it “evolved” into higher and higher levels of order. Right then. The only area where science excuses the laws of entropy and conservation is in their evolutionary faith religion. I understand it just fine.


94 posted on 03/04/2010 7:36:48 AM PST by woollyone ("The trouble with socialism is you run out of other people's money to spend." Margaret Thatcher)
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