Posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim
“So somebody explain to me about the John Birch Society. I hit their website, they look like anti-communists from the McCarthy era.....I have no problem with that.”
I think it’s all about anti-semitism or at least the look of it. I’m guessing it’s about endorsements, the anti-Nixon bent of Welch, conspiracism, etc...
The Birchers tended to go a little overboard. Everybody was a communist. They declared Ike to be a dedicated member of the communist conspiracy. That well qualifies as nutty.
Good answer!!
Good post. I suspect that you are pretty much on the money.
Hannity clearly feels very threatened by Beck and Levin and Hannity are pretty tight.
Levin is in no danger of being upstaged by anyone not named Rush Limbaugh.
Personality preferences aside, you put Beck and Levin at the same show: Beck sucks up all of the oxygen. Beck attracts the crowds. Beck gets all of the soundbites. Beck grabs 90% of the headlines.
Levin knows that and it rankles him every waking moment of his life right now.
Levin, Hannity, Rush, they’re all part of the GOP good ‘ol boy network, outsiders like Beck and Savage don’t belong. The GOP can certainly win elections without their help or audience. (sarc)
Who is advocating that we do that? People are getting off the sofa and working hard to primary the bums out. Beck tells the folks both parties are the same and we are doomed. I agree about the RINOs, but at a time when so many are getting involved being told day after day after day no difference is not productive. Beck has said throw out both parties and vote third party. NO. We have to change the Republican Party.
So far, republicans have been a disaster for Conservatives.
True.
"I feel it is this issue that Beck is addressing"
Beck isn't addressing any issue. He doesn't see the issues that we see. He wants to be a voice, but has no idea what that voice should say, and is envious and distrustful of those that are conversant on all the issues, like Rush, Sarah, and Mark. He is particularly envious of Sarah Palin's ability to draw crowds on a moments notice.
Didn't watch the speech, eh?
Yeah, that was me mocking my teenage daughters, LOL. But seriously, he is amazing.
I agree with those asking what is wrong with the “Birchers”. All I’ve seen so far is “they are BAD”, and “they USED TO BE BAD”. “they used to be communists” while they appear not to be. How about some specifics? How about some evidence?
“It doesn’t work that way. We (the Republicans) have to own up to our historical role in this process of SPENDING America into bankruptcy.”
Absolutely. Luckily all of the spending since then has been Democrat owned and has shown anyone who is intellectually honest that it can’t continue no matter what party affiliation. But... to say that Republicans & Democrats are pretty much the same is also intellectually dishonest.
Well, with all respect to you and to Coulter, I'm going to have to disagree. The election of Barack Obama proved, if nothing else, the incredible power that the "media" still wields. Here was the least qualified and experienced man to stand for the Presidency - and I've seen 10 or more of these elections - and yet because the "media" all vouched for his qualifications, the sheeple in America gladly followed along.
FNC is great, but they're are one, lone conservative voice is a cacophony of liberal media voices. The media is still relevant, no matter how much we wish it wasn't so.
The girly stuff bugged me no end too at first. Then he seemed to veer off from it into some good comedy. But now he's back to the feminine histrionics. Creeps me out. I want a Patton, not Oprah or Barbara Walters to lead the charge.
Admit what every Republican I know has known for decades if he must. There are RINOS around. Then get off it, get off there is no difference between secular socialists and Republicans and start attacking the enemy.
I don’t believe Levin and Hannity are jealous. Its apparent to me that they know something they aren’t sharing with the rest of us about Beck. I do know, for instance, that Beck steals passages from Mark’s book and show, then passes it off as his own. This is plagarism. This is one reason I suspect Mark doesn’t like him. But jealous? Naw, I seriously doubt it. Beck is ok on some things, but, I truly think he is a flash in the pan and his ego is starting to get the better of him, just as it did BOR.
I'm of an age where I can reinforce that assessment.
In addition, there was a strong streak of anti-Semitism, as well.
no, i watch his tv show - and he does say both parties are the same - not once - many, many times
Yep, and that was his problem.
Phoenix at the time was full of Birchers. They supported him and he couldn't disavow them completely but they were loons. Goldwater had originally run for City Council on a clean government (not expressly conservative) platform. It was to stop the corruption and get the hookers off of Van Buren.
As Senator he had to step in and save the Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act (The Siberia Act) from the screwball right and he wanted no truck with the "Eisenhower is a Communist Agent" crowd. He needed to separate himself from the leadership of the JBS and their wacky notions without alienating the rank and file.
The Catholic Church in Arizona and also the LDS had strong JBS ties. Frank Brophy (Valley National Bank and Brophy Prep) was a Catholic Leader and a major Bircher. He was influential enough that Goldwater thought that he could derail Goldwater's presidential run. Goldwater did not want to be associated with his views. The extremism statement was an attempt to keep the membership after repudiating Welch and his nuttery. It also served to diffuse the attacks that Goldwater knew were coming on his starkly conservative views.
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