Posted on 02/20/2010 7:58:13 AM PST by Brices Crossroads
"While I was flipping through the autobiography, a woman approached the booth. Catherine Sumner, it turned out, was part of GOProud, a group of openly gay Republicans and conservatives that for the first time is taking part in CPAC. “Is this your flyer?” Sumner demanded, waving the white and green pamphlet. Thus launched a debate about gays in the military that pretty much ended when the booth attendee told her that homosexuality is a sin and she’s going to hell.
“It’s insulting,” Sumner, 31, who edits a military magazine, said turning away. “Across the board the reaction to GOProud’s presence here has been positive, but then you have guys like this. Even Dick Cheney came out and says he supports us. Conservatives have to be more inclusive, they have to be.” In fact, just one group, Liberty University, boycotted CPAC over the inclusion of GOProud, though the Catholic crowd weren’t the only ones unnerved by their presence: one booth down from GOProud’s set up in the fourth row, those manning the National Organization for Marriage, which works to ban gay marriage, kept casting nervous – and slightly envious – glances at the somewhat larger crowd surrounding GOProud’s booth.
The tensions didn’t end there. Along the back wall 2004 World Poker Champion Greg Raymer stood waiting for a talk radio interview. “Focus on the Family considers poker immoral,” Raymer said, gesturing towards the Focus on the Family booth down an aisle. “They have no right to tell me what to do.” Raymer is at CPAC representing the Poker Players Alliance..."
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Yeah they have no right to tell us what to do. :)
I really like what the speaker had to say even though he was unnecessarily antagonistic. He said something like; civil rights only pertain to things governed by natural law.
Bill Bennett loves the cards.
Well stated.
If the Republican Party discards social conservatism as a major tenet, then the Republicans become the conservative fascist party vs the Democrats who are the liberal fascist party.
>>>If the GOP wants to try to win without cultural conservatives, I suppose they can try. But they will fail miserably.
and if the GOP wants to try to win without the majority who don’t see their life’s mission as throwing the first stones, they’ll fail even worse.
This was a political conference to find common ground. Not conduct an inquisition or lecture strangers on how they’re going to hell. Neither the tail, nor the ass, wags the dog.
btw, the guy who was given the bum’s rush, glancing at his picture he looks the type to be found somewhere with a wide stance. I don’t think I’d hitch too many wagons there, so to speak.
“But they DO have the right to tell you that what you’re doing is immoral. First amendment, and all that.”
I think that you might be confusing a right to free speech with a right to force the target of your free speech to have to listen to it.
“Conservatives have to be more inclusive, they have to be.”
No we don’t.”
Amen. Some of these gay rights pushers are confused. Nut I believe that there is a core group who is trying to drive a wedge between the economic and social conservatives. If they can nominate someone like Romney, (who isn’t even an economic conservative, but plays one on TV ;) then the wedge will be in place. And Obama’s re-election will be secure.
The torrent of hatred poured out on Sarah Palin has many antecedents, but is in no small measure because she is both an economic and a social conservative (and a populist, as opposed to an elitist), uniting both wings of the GOP and appealing to average people (as opposed to Romney and Obama, both of whom are elitist to the core). She is the only one in the GOP who can pull this off IMHO.
“we have EVERY right to tell them whatever we want!”
You have the right to SAY what you want. You have NO right to make someone listen to you.
No I'm not, I'm merely affirming that I (or anyone else) have the right to tell somebody who comes up to my own table, or in any other public venue, whatever we want to tell them.
I think you may be confusing not wanting to hear what somebody else has to say with preventing them from saying it.
So, ah, can you actually show where this is the case here?
unbelievable.
Was the DC audience seeded with homosexuals in order to cause this? It seems to be not very conservative if this conservative “pac” is endorsing the homosexual deathstyle.
I think homosexuality is a sin and a detriment to the military.
That said, a political party shouldn’t concern itself with whether someone is going to heaven or not.
People’s personal lives are there own, as long as they keep them personal and don’t force them on others. The problem with homosexuals in the military is that they cannot keep it personal. Here is a rule that serves all purposes - People should not be forced to room or disrobe in front of people who are sexually attracted to their gender. What of closet homosexuals? Well that’s like saying its OK to have men watching women in the shower, as long as the women never find out about it.
“I (or anyone else) have the right to tell somebody who comes up to my own table...”
Now I agree with you. If THEY come to you, they obviously know by the signs on and around your area who and what you are. If they hold an opposing view then they are looking for a confrontation.
In that case I say let them have it.
“Was the DC audience seeded with homosexuals in order to cause this? It seems to be not very conservative if this conservative “pac” is endorsing the homosexual deathstyle.”
The CPAC board, I would suppose, invited both the GOPRIDE group and the gambling group referenced in the article. Draw your own conclusions.
“we have EVERY right to tell them whatever we want!”
“Tell them”
Telling them infers that they are stuck in place listening to you. If we were to meet at a public venue and you did not like something about me, fine that is your right. If you chose to speak out against that thing, fine, that is your right. If however you chose to “tell me” what you thought of my “flaw” and I chose to walk away from you, am I violating your right to free speech?
“a political party shouldn’t concern itself with whether someone is going to heaven or not.”
Well said.
Well reasoned; well said.
How many homosexual Republicans exist? Probably less than 10,000.
Are the number of homosexual Republicans increasing? Probably not since they have difficulty procreating.
Why change the social conservatism tenet of the Republican Party for an insignificant number of people?
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