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Editorial: We Do Not Need a Conservative Revolution. We need a Christian Revolution
Catholic Online ^ | 2/15/10 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:49 PM PST by tcg

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To: Larry Lucido
"Nope, not trading one type of statist with another. We need freedom, period. Then individual religious folks can practice their respective religions as they see fit."

Well said.

21 posted on 02/14/2010 6:47:22 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: tcg

Well, I hope everyone will take the trouble of reading Deacon Fournier’s whole essay before condemning it.

I think he is right. I would only add that true conservatism rests on the Judaeo-Christian tradition—on Athens, Rome, and Jerusalem, and the foundation of Christianity in the West. The Constitution draws its basic ideas about rights from the Natural Law derived from Judaism, Christianity, and classical philosophy—the “unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” of the Declaration of Independence.

You cannot have a free people unless they are willing to govern and discipline themselves. And you can’t have that without the basic underpinning of religion—Christianity in particular. That is what has set the West apart from every other civilization, and given us our ideas of freedom.

This doesn’t mean that EVERYONE has to be a Christian. But it does mean that we need a Great Awakening of some kind, a return to Christian practice and beliefs. Otherwise, the conservative revolution will have no solid foundations to build on.

I find especially useful to understanding this Christopher Dawson’s ground-breaking books. Everyone who wants to see a return to America’s traditional values should especially read Dawson’s book Religion and the Rise of Western Culture.

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Western-Culture-Christopher-Dawson/dp/0385421109


22 posted on 02/14/2010 6:50:45 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Yes, what you said.


23 posted on 02/14/2010 6:51:37 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: buccaneer81

Social justice has been promoted by Progressive priests who should be kicked out of the Church. Marxism directly conflicts with Catholic Church ideology, this is extensively written about in encyclicals. Charity and compassion have always been part of the church, but the fact that people have to be responsible for their actions is a major component.


24 posted on 02/14/2010 6:55:33 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie

Agree 100%


25 posted on 02/14/2010 6:58:38 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: ReyTurner
Is that you, Newt?


27 posted on 02/14/2010 7:03:02 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Who do you like to lead us from this pit that isn’t a quitter?


29 posted on 02/14/2010 7:06:58 PM PST by ReyTurner
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To: tcg

Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals, Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Keep the Christianity at home and in the community. Once you run on it and especially if you win, you just gave the left what they look for.

Evangelicals especially have been noted to shed us of some of our best conservatives, allowing hte Liberals to take over, due to what certain Evangelicals decide is not proper for a public official.

That we end up with someone much worse from the Democrats doesn’t seem to phase them, only that we maintain a “pure appearance.”


30 posted on 02/14/2010 7:09:08 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: tcg
Sorry I'm not into a theocracy no matter what the flavor.
31 posted on 02/14/2010 7:09:20 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: tcg

Agree 100%. We need to return to the “Rock” of western civilization.

The book below should be a mandatory history text and reading in all schools and colleges.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zVDR2ZePzvUC&dq=Western+Civilization+Built+by+Catholic+Church+book&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=ZLx4S8CKCYqMtAPui-jLCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Western%20Civilization%20Built%20by%20Catholic%20Church%20book&f=false


32 posted on 02/14/2010 7:17:54 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: ReyTurner

Malcolm Muggeridge put it (”Things past”) :

“The liberties were prize...were born, not in Westminster, nor even in Philadelphia, but on the shores of Galilee. They are implicit in the Christian faith, and were that faith to perish, they would perish with it...

“The most sacred, most inviolable thing on earth (is the individual) human soul...Thus, to incorporate a man into a herd, and to put him under the necessity of following the herd’s destiny, was to destroy the purpose of his being. He was himself or he was nothing...”


33 posted on 02/14/2010 7:19:42 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: ReyTurner

Earth to whoever you are. We’re conservatives with brains, not democrats. We don’t need someone to “lead” us. We elect representatives; we don’t wait for pied pipers.

And Newt proved he isn’t much of anything.


34 posted on 02/14/2010 7:21:47 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ReyTurner

“Who do you like to lead us from this pit”

Too early.

“that isn’t a quitter?”

hmmm ... seems you signed on to promote Newt and bash Palin.


35 posted on 02/14/2010 7:25:23 PM PST by maggief
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To: blackbart.223

I am sure the author is using the term “the Church” in the wider meaning of “all Christians”. Considering that he is writing about the U.S., he sure doesn’t mean “Catholic Church”.


36 posted on 02/14/2010 7:25:43 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: tcg

Editorial: We Do Not Need a Conservative Revolution. We need a Christian Revolution

only if they are conservative Christians.


37 posted on 02/14/2010 7:25:44 PM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hey fat choy!)
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To: tcg

Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!


38 posted on 02/14/2010 7:28:57 PM PST by The Mayor (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!)
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To: ReyTurner

“Who do you like to lead us from this pit that isn’t a quitter?”

ummm Newt did quit as Speaker of the House.


39 posted on 02/14/2010 7:32:28 PM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hey fat choy!)
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To: tcg

Definitely not interest in your “Christian Revolution” if it’s just a cover to impose Catholicism.


40 posted on 02/14/2010 7:37:49 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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