[Ronin]

Or the Straights of Malacca, or coming out of harbor say at Yokosuka, or by pre-positioning based on past operational patterns, etc.

As for a CVBG moving at 30 knots, how often does that happen? Yes, I know they can go that fast, but they seldom do. It tends to break things and can take years off the service life of a propulsion plant. Ten to 15 knots is a more common advance speed.

The points I am trying to get across, in this and in other places where I have posted, is that overconfidence is not a good thing. That ASW is a constantly changing game and that the adversary is not dumb and is not going to oblige us by doing what we expect him to do.

[hinckley buzzard]

I agree. The superiority of Swedish submarine technology is not new, nor is it a sudden surprise to our Navy. This media story is a feature story, not breaking news. As the guy said, the Navy has been working on this problem for over a year already.

[Mariner]

"Ten to 15 knots is a more common advance speed".

NEVER less than 16kts and usually somewhere slightly above.

This to keep the escorts comfortable. However, these ships will easily do 40+kts, even for extended transit.