Superior Swedish Sub Sinks American Nuclear Subs & Aircraft Carrier, USS Reagan (Video)

YouTube ^ | 12/12/10 | Chuck Henry

[OneVike]

So like lets say waiting around the Straights of Gibraltar and other narrow passages that the navy eventually has to go through?

I'll check your answer later. Time to chop some wood. My lazy morning is over.

[Hot Tabasco]

We’ve been leasing this thing for over a year and we haven’t figured it out yet? Why don’t we just get on the phone and call the Swiss engineers who made the thing? Somebody over there must know how to speak English.......

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[TXnMA]

There is a link to an article -- including animated operation in my # 172.

For more articles, Google "Stirling Cycle" or "Stirling Cycle engine"...

[El Gran Salseron]

No, I don’t. I think the anti-sonar group is just another of the communist-inspired gimmicks to paralyze the nation.

[wardaddy]

As far as the propellers go, a major danger is that if one blade is hit, the imbalance would result in a good deal of damage from the imbalance before that shaft could get shut down

ding ding, we have a winner.

as one of the perhaps only freepers who has ever owned a ship...smaller sized cargo vessels from 2-10,000 tonnes DWT I know a wee bit about big boxes of corroding steel that float defying nature and their behemoth diesels and plethora of pumps and compressors

but I don't know jack about military vessels other than the countless times they boarded us NCSA...in the late 80s-early 90s if you left anywhere from Cartagena to the Orinoco you could expect to get stopped by a western warship with Coasties and Customs agents on board...ditto for the Yuck, Windward or Mona passages.

fascinating thread ...who woulda thought Swedes?

are these Volvo diesels?

we always ran Werkspoor, Marine Industrie, Mann, MAK and some folks would run CATs with shaft reducers...all my old drives were direct back then on very low RPM powerplants

Ships can sure last a long time if kept up...and reskinned from time to time

[BIGLOOK]

What these reports leave out is how choreographed these exercises are. They’re designed specifically to put friendly forces at a disadvantage.

They're also done to gather valuable intel on DE boats' capabilities. Detection isn't futile or so I've been told.

[Robert A Cook PE]

The nightmare scenario is that one of these shows up near one of our shorelines, and launches a missile attack against one of our cities. Still, that sub has to get close enough, which means its crew has to navigate the boat through large stretches of ocean, and then they have to successfully launch the attack. There’s a lot of coordination, and a lot of logistics involved. We have other means of detecting them; e.g., satellites and aircraft; hopefully, that would be good enough to ward off an attack.

Actually, the threat is worse than you think.

The German’s WWII “short-range” diesel-electric subs worked quite well inside the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico, somehow sinking many US ships in sight of US shores: despite being limited to binoculars and eyeballs from an open platform only a few feet above the sea surface. No radar, no satellites, no sub-mounted long-range sonars, no shore observers (er, spies), no radio, no ESM intercepts .... With straight-running torpedoes with no self-guiding sonar systems, no fire-and-forget technology and fire control.

These German subs were sinking “little” ships (today’s 100,000 ton ships carry 20 times the capacity) while having to shoot 3 to six torpedoes PER TARGET. Shot by eyeball and periscope from 1000 feet.

Today,you need only one torpedo, shot remotely (submerged all the time) from 22,000 to 26,000 yards range.

Worse, if you sink (disable permanently by blowing up the engineroom and propeller) ONE ship today with ONE torpedo, you have sunk the equal of an ENTIRE war’s production for an ENTIRE sub. Even the BEST WWII German and US skippers “only” sunk 110,000 tons. In their entire careers.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Until I lay mines in the harbor (by surface trawlers, subs, and “civilians”) that allow the UNREP (resupply tankers) to refuel the carrier’s gas-turbine escorts.

And new bombs, missiles, and airplane fuel.

When I need 3 escorts per refueling ship, I can neither escort refueling ships, nor merchants and oil tankers nor Marine and Army convoys carrying troops and equipment.

[PapaBear3625]

The price of sinking a US Capital Ship, historically, has been total war. Nukes and all. Great deterrent.

You seriously expect Obama to nuke Iran in response to sinking a carrier?

It would be interesting to see the response of the rest of the Muslim world to the US nuking a Muslim country.

[Jeff Gordon]

Nothing can get within 100miles of a Carrier if the battle group commander doesn't want it to.

The commander knew that sub coming for him.

The price of sinking a US Capital Ship, historically, has been total war. Nukes and all. Great deterrent.

Are you taking Obama into account?

[Jeff Gordon]

a few torpedoes are not enough

Yep, and the Titanic was unsinkable.

[OneVike]

No, I don’t. I think the anti-sonar group is just another of the communist-inspired gimmicks to paralyze the nation.

I also believe the same way as you, but it never hurts asking someone who has a better understanding of the situation then I do what your opinion is. After all, in my ongoing series against the eco-terrorists group the Sea Shepherd, it helps to know these things for my articles. Thanks.

[denydenydeny]

The point is, one would have to assume that there are at least a few smart guys in the USN. We have seen these stories every single year since the early 1990s, and one would have to assume that if there are not already means to detect these "miracle weapons" that the USN is actively working on a solution....incredible as it may seem, even before the internet commando brigade began putting their dresses over their head about it.

[Soothesayer9]

And of course a well-directed nuke flying towards Sweden...

[Palladin]

Cute story!

It’ll be a cold day in hell when any other nation can surpass our US submarine fleet!

(I am the proud grandparent of a Sonar Specialist on the nuclear sub Jimmy Carter.)

[Kenny Bunk]

Our best WWII tank?

The Pershing. 90mm Main Gun. Only a few made it into action, but they were capable of taking out anything the Jerries had.

Formed the basis of the M-48, which improbably enough, is still in service ...somewhere.

[valkyry1]

The Russian T-34 was a fantastic tank. We should have contracted them to build for us. However the Russkies needed all they had to repel the Germans.

[Palladin]

Agree.

I prefer to believe my grandson, who tells me our Navy is inferior to none.

He always says: “Don’t worry, Grandpa. We’ve got you covered.”

[tanknetter]

So like lets say waiting around the Straights of Gibraltar and other narrow passages that the navy eventually has to go through?

Which will be saturated with coverage from P-3s, SH-60s, Merlins (assuming NATO is in the fight) and possibly a SOSUS-style passive array network?

In any sort of a natural chokepoint situation, there's little disadvantage to using active sonar from dipping helos or sonobuoys from helos or aircraft.