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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
What makes you for a second think that anything in this universe that you describe as “chance” is not directed by God?

I suggest you read Prov 16:33 and then come back and tell me how you came to the opinion that “random” means “not directed by God”.

All things are directed by God.

All things are designed by God.

Some things are not “more” designed by God than others just because they are complex. It is an either or proposition. Either something is designed or “just happened”.

If you truly believe in God and the Bible, then what in this universe are you willing to say “just happened” rather than being part of God's plan?

68 posted on 02/10/2010 10:35:27 AM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
What makes you for a second think that anything in this universe that you describe as “chance” is not directed by God?

It depends on what you mean by "directed by God." Does God directly determine every coin flip? Or does every coin flip ultimately fit into God's providential plan? I believe the latter. I assume that you do to. I think we're attaching different meanings to the same words.

Some things are not “more” designed by God than others just because they are complex.

How can things of greater or lesser complexity be of an equivalent order of design? Is a 747 "more designed" than a cardboard box? Neither one is difficult for God to design, but that is a separate issue, and doesn't contradict the fact that both things are of greater and lesser design.

It is an either or proposition. Either something is designed or “just happened”.

There are countless proximate, natural, causes which govern the motion of a cloud of gas, before the motion of a cloud of gas can be traced all the way back to the Big Bang, and then its ultimate cause --God. There are, in comparison, far fewer proximate causes leading up to the creation of human beings --zero, to be preciese. Ultimately, both human beings and clouds of gas are "designed," but in ordinary language, a cloud of gas is something that "just happens," as opposed to human beings, which we more easily see as designed.

If you truly believe in God and the Bible, then what in this universe are you willing to say “just happened” rather than being part of God's plan?

Everything falls under God's providence. The fact that human beings exhibit a higher order of design than a cloud of gas doesn't contradict the idea of God's providential plan.

71 posted on 02/10/2010 4:11:58 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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