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To: DaveTesla
Thank you, Dave, for helping prove my point that John Bingham did not write the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment.

You quoted the real author's comment, "The 14th amendment will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person."

And yes, it has always been understood that children of ambassadors or foreign ministers are "foreigners, aliens," i.e. not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. And they are the only "class of person" excluded by that comment.

"Every other class of person" includes the children of aliens who are not ambassadors or foreign ministers.
577 posted on 02/10/2010 1:30:45 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins; Red Steel; Velveeta; little jeremiah; butterdezillion
“Thank you, Dave, for helping prove my point that John Bingham did not write the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment.”

I take it you have a vision problem?

Jacob M. Howard merely changed the first sentence.

During Reconstruction Howard participated in debate over the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, arguing for including the phrase and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

OK, pay attention:
This is section 1:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The bold part is the part Mr. Howard added.
The rest is what John Bingham wrote.
You catching up with me?
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

A grammar one as well?

who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.

The comma is used in many contexts and languages, principally for separating things. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word comma comes directly from the Greek êüììá which means something cut off or short

Take for example,
Those who have $5 dollars, $10 dollars, $15 dollars or $20 dollars, but will include every other bill or coin.

So to you the above is not 4 distinct people but someone with $50 dollars?

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/commas.asp

Not to worry, we made a wager that you were going to say exactly
what you did.
At least your predictable.

578 posted on 02/10/2010 2:06:37 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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