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To: IrishMike

I never actually understood what the basic premise of AGWT was, or is. Other some vague notion that burning fossil fuels would make the earth warmer. Can someone point out one testable prediction of AGWT?


14 posted on 02/01/2010 11:24:52 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; Southack
Well this thread addresses some issues:

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics

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Abstract

The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea the authors trace back to the traditional works of Fourier 1824, Tyndall 1861 and Arrhenius 1896, but which is still supported in global climatology, essentially describes a fictitious mechanism by which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is radiatively interacting with but radiatively equilibrated to the atmospheric system.

According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist. Nevertheless, in almost all texts of global climatology and in widespread secondary literature it is taken for granted that such a mechanism is real and stands on a firm scientific foundation. In this paper the popular conjecture is analyzed and the underlying physical principles clarified.

By showing that (a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects, (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 °C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately, (e) the assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical, (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero,

the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified.

24 posted on 02/14/2010 2:32:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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