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To: Seizethecarp

If I am not mistaken, all that Hawaii can produce is the short-form COLB.

The law should be simple - whatever is required for a passport.


54 posted on 01/19/2010 5:57:40 AM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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To: MrRobertPlant2009
If I am not mistaken, all that Hawaii can produce is the short-form COLB.

The law should be simple - whatever is required for a passport.

That is all that is required for a passport.

56 posted on 01/19/2010 5:59:50 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: MrRobertPlant2009
“If I am not mistaken, all that Hawaii can produce is the short-form COLB.”

My research, and that of other FReepers, is that you are mistaken.

Contrary to the false impression put out by the Obama campaign, aided by the MSM who, in the case of CNN ordered Lou Dobbs to report that original vital records had been destroyed, the the files “went electronic”, the HI department of vital records has confirmed that they have retained all original vital records.

While the short form is deemed sufficient under FRE and by HI as proof of birth, an individual can request release of copies of all of their vital records from HI. Obama has refused to do so.

Just because a certified copy of a short-form is deemed “self-authenticating” under FRE, that is only true if it is uncontested in a legal proceding. It can be contested, should such a legal proceeding occur, including discovery.

DOJ/Obama will contest such a release in discovery of course, such as in quo warranto, but under the FRE best evidence rule, I suspect DOJ will lose.

61 posted on 01/19/2010 7:08:46 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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