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bottom line "The John Birch Society" has too much unecessary baggage tainting its legacy and I am glad Palin rejected speaking at CPAC (even if it wasn't for that reason and for something else.) I am really quite confused to tell you the truth by the array of sponsors of CPAC this year.

Tea Party Convention all the way! :)

1 posted on 01/09/2010 9:09:38 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Glenn Beck is a Skousen fan much more than Romney is. I don't see that hurting him with Conservatives though, or anyone that fears communism's reach.

Glenn is even pushing Skousen’s book, the 5000 year leap.

2 posted on 01/09/2010 9:16:19 PM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

BTW, Skousen was never a member of the John Birch Society. His son was.


3 posted on 01/09/2010 9:19:33 PM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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5 posted on 01/09/2010 9:26:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I find it hard to believe that he could have become Governor of MA without such a radical connection becoming extremely well known during the campaign!!!


6 posted on 01/09/2010 9:27:20 PM PST by SierraWasp (i 4 i, 2th 4 2th, L8 4 D8, tit 4 tat, GR8 B8!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Skousen’s “The Making Of America” is one of the best books I’ve ever read about American history, and the proper role of constitutional government, without any doubt!!!


9 posted on 01/09/2010 9:31:24 PM PST by SierraWasp (i 4 i, 2th 4 2th, L8 4 D8, tit 4 tat, GR8 B8!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

can somebody explain to me the bad baggage the john birch society has? they seem to believe in good things...do they have a racist path or something i’m not aware of?


10 posted on 01/09/2010 9:32:51 PM PST by chevydude26
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record—Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963.

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [”]united force[”] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


16 posted on 01/09/2010 9:47:26 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

My regard for Romney just went up a notch.


19 posted on 01/09/2010 9:49:05 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

JBS was out-of-control perhaps, but I believe a fear of communism is healthy (200 million dead last century, compliments of the left).

“a regimented breed of Pavlovian men whose minds could be triggered into immediate action by signals from their masters.”

Oh, do you mean islamofascists?

“accused the Council on Foreign Relations and the Rockefellers of puppeteering the election of Jimmy Carter to pave the way for One World Government”

Wow, that is just SO out there. Not!

Those who don’t think communism is a threat are going to experience a very uncomfortable awakening. They may not proudly refer to themselves as ‘communist’ but the ideas are alive and well, and in the White House.

I don’t know how anyone can look at the past ten years, especially the last year, and think that the hard-left is no threat to us.


23 posted on 01/09/2010 9:56:16 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The Skousen Admiration Club.
25 posted on 01/09/2010 10:05:43 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The JBS is an ally for US sovereignty and freedom.


30 posted on 01/09/2010 10:09:06 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

That all sounds tame compared to our current Presidents associations.


47 posted on 01/09/2010 10:27:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

whippee. He once said on a radio show blah blah

Of all the things to not like Romney for this is one of the more pathetic


49 posted on 01/09/2010 10:29:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I know that JBS had their share of crackpots. But go back a couple of decades, and see them in context in their time.

There was no internet. There was no talk radio. There was only the news outlets who refused to cover the soviet penetration of the government, the universities, the entertainment and news media, it was going on but no one would cover it.

Anyone who tried was dismissed as a “McCarthyite”. Keep in mind that since the Venona papers we know that McCarthy was telling the truth... but you wouldn’t know that even to this day if all you had was the straight press.

That was the void that JBS tried to fill, and that frustration at seeing what was happening, and being unable to draw any attention to it, all you could do was scream and no one hears.

They had their share of crazies, they attacked some stalwarts in the conservative movement who refused to take on some of their causes. Sound familiar? We do the same thing ourselves, we go after conservatives who won’t move on the birth certificate issue, we go after the rinos, and with good reason, but not everyone is going to agree with anyone on everything.

They were an embarrassment partly because some of the things they said were over the top, but they were also an embarrassment because they were out there largely all alone in calling attention to communist penetration of every one of our institutions. We see it now, and we see the communists reaping the harvest they have prepared for all these decades. The interlocking networks that put O in the White House and sustain him there, ACORN, the unions, Tides Foundation, all Soros’s fake foundations, JBS called it. Sometimes they were jerks about it, but they called it.

We need to relearn history. McCarthy was right. They destroyed him just the way they will try to destroy any of us if we get too outspoken. They tried to do the same thing to Judge Thomas, and Bork, look what they did to GW for eight years and he’s not even a conservative. If you get your news from the straight press you haven’t got a clue what is happening. Now we’ve got FR and Limbaugh. In the fifties and sixties, all we had was Buckley for the high brows and JBS digging dirt on the baddies.

They were doing in the fifties what basically FR and Beck are doing in the new millenium. Some of them were crazy but look around you. Some of us are crazy too. That doesn’t make the other side right.


87 posted on 01/09/2010 11:29:09 PM PST by marron
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

There’s one point in Romney’s favor, among all the digs he’s been getting here.


112 posted on 01/10/2010 4:14:46 AM PST by RoadTest (Karl Marx renamed Free Enterprise (the source of a nation's wealth) "Capitalism".)
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JBS becomes mainstream *ping*


115 posted on 01/10/2010 8:35:05 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: FromLori

*ping*


116 posted on 01/10/2010 8:40:49 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Skousen’s Communist paranoia may have reached it’s apotheosis in 1970 when the Mormon church and BYU in particular began receiving a tremendous amount of external pressure to change the church’s policy on denying the Mormon priesthood to blacks. Skousen, then a professor at BYU, published an article entitled “The Communist Attack on the Mormons” and noted that critics were employing Communist tactics which were “distorting the religious tenet of the Church regarding the Negro and blowing it up to ridiculous proportions.” The Mormon Church reversed course on its discriminatory practices in 1978 and began ordaining black men to the priesthood.

Mighty white of them.

122 posted on 01/10/2010 10:47:43 AM PST by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The article you posted contains a factual error.

Cleon Skousen’s publication entitled “The Communist Attack on the John Birch Society” — was NOT a “book”. It was a 12-page pamphlet which, incidentally, you can see here:

http://www.zeios.com/OurRepublic/Article/27

Despite Mr. Skousen’s reputation as a knowledgeable and authoritative researcher, his “Communist Attack” article contains major factual errors and reveals incredible analytical shallowness.

Furthermore, Mr. Skousen and his admirers (such as the John Birch Society) misrepresented his FBI career.

For a detailed report on Skousen which is based, primarily, upon documents in his FBI personnel file (and a related file), see: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/skousen


145 posted on 01/11/2010 8:30:50 PM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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