Transporter accident. That explains your grotesque failure of intellect.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
The author doesn’t know what is talking about. If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.
Understand what a dual citizen is, Kirk, which he is by his own admission. You are wrong.
I believe the mother was not of age to pass on natural born status.
Obama admits that he’s a dual born citizen on his site: “fly kites with queers”.
Are you saying your hero is a liar?
That is patently false.
If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.
Nay, Captain. Under the law in force at that time, a child born outside the US - with ONE parent who is a US citizen and one who isn’t = is a natural-born US citizen IF the US-citizen parent had spent ten years in the US over the age of 14.
While that has recently changed to 5 years, it still would not apply to someone born in 1961.
The mother wasn’t of age at the time of the birth is what I understand the problem is with that. Besides, both of McCain’s parents were American citizens, yet his citizenship was in question because he was born on a Naval base outside the states and he had to produce his official birth certificate during the election, which he did with no qualms.
Simple question if Obama’s father was a US citizen and his mother was a kenyan would he still be natural born?
That isn’t that clear cut. The whole point is to get the Supreme Court to make a clear ruling on this.
What is odd is that over 30 times in the last 100 years Congressional committees have put forth an amendment that states what you believe...that as long as one parent is US Citizen then the child is natural born...HOWEVER the measures never even made it out of committee.
If what you said was true then the liberals in Congress would never have even spent any time working on that.
Additionally a lawyer within the firm that supported Obama during the campaign wrote a paper that argued the position that natural born citizen as the US has defined needs to be changed...then the paper was mysteriously scrubbed from the University Law dept when Obama announced his candidacy and now that paper is available in the archive at the school.
There are many loose ends in this discussion it is a legitimate claim to want to see historical and background information on someone who is President. Anyone near or around the President ALL of this information is clearly known and vetted...but for some reason it hasn’t been necessary for Obama and that can only mean one thing: He is hiding something very big! We deserve to know what that is.
Absolutely not true. No matter "where" Barry was born, he was born, at best, a dual citizen, which he even admits to on his website. At the time of his birth, he was both a US citizen and a British subject, and according again to his own website he was a citizen of Kenya. How then can a dual citizen also be a Natural Born citizen? See this post for more info:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2421899/posts?q=1&;page=151#192
You haven’t been paying any attention to this story for the past couple of years, have you?
Transporter accident. That explains your grotesque failure of intellect.
The author doesn’t know what is talking about. If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.
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Ding, ding, ding. WRONG!
www.obamacrimes.com has this to say:
Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then onto Pakistan. Soetoro/Obama claims in his book “Dreams from my father” that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro. In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.
Despite the above however, Indonesia required Obama/Soetoro to do a bit more upon his 18th birthday. In fact the Indonesian law gives until the age of 21. Soetoro/Obama would have had to sign an Affidavit relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and said Affidavit had to be sent to the Indonesian Government before reclaiming any U.S. citizenship he may have once held.
When it comes to the citizenship of individuals in other countries, we are prevented from interfering, Hague Convention 1930. Speaking of Indonesia, during the late 60’s all the way up until 2006 Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. In 2006 they changed their laws to permit dual citizenship, however, Indonesia has had its battles with enforcing their new law permitting dual citizenship.
With this said, from the research we have done, it appears that Soetoro became an Indonesian citizen. When Soetoro/Obama was approximately four (4) years old his parents divorced and thereafter, Soetoro/Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Evidence points to the fact that Lolo Soetoro either signed a government form legally “acknowledging” Soetoro/Obama as his son or “adopted” Soetoro, either of which changed any citizenship status Soetoro/Obama had to a “natural” citizen of Indonesia.
At the time Barry Soetoro was in Indonesia, all Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father “Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.
As a result of Soetoro/Obama’s Indonesian “natural” citizenship status, Soetoro/Obama could never regain U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact he ever held such, which we doubt. Soetoro/Obama could have only become “naturalized” if the proper paperwork were filed with the U.S. State Department, after going through U.S. Immigration upon his return to the United States; in which case, Soetoro/Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship indicating “naturalized.”
We are informed, believe and thereon allege Obama/Soetoro was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Soetoro/Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Soetoro/Obama’s mother did not return with him. Therefore, it appears that she did not apply for citizenship for Soetoro/Obama in the United States. If citizenship for Soetoro/Obama had been applied for in 1971, Soetoro/Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship. If Soetoro/Obama returned in 1971 to Hawaii without going through U.S. Immigration, today he would be an “illegal alien” – and obviously not able to serve as President, but also his term as a United States Senator from Illinois for nearly four (4) years was illegal. We further believe Soetoro might have reentered the United States at age ten (10) by showing a copy of his Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, which he received when his birth was registered in Hawaii.
In addition, we have been unable to locate any legal documents wherein Soetoro’s name was legally changed from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama. Soetoro/Obama’s silence on these issues is deafening and his refusal to release such records to prove that none of this occurred results in his status as Acting Commander in Chief at best, and a willful action on his part to deceive the American People and the Armed Forces of the United States so that he may wield power that is in non-compliance with the United States Constitution.
Not so Captain. I have a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) just like Prez 0bama. Mine was issued at the US Consulate in Frankfurt, Germany. I can assure you I wasn't born at the Consulate. I was born at a military hospital in Germany, and I have the US Army paperwork to prove it. However, under the Status of Forces Agreement in NATO countries my real/true birth certificate is German. I was born on German soil, therefore my registered birth certificate is German.
Now, for the second part of your statement. Because I was born in a country that recognizes dual-citizenship, before I could enlist in the USAF I had to get a Social Security number, to get that I had to declare allegiance to one country or the other (USA/Germany). The only way for me to declare allegiance to the USA was to go through INS and apply for citizenship. Yep, both my parent were born in the US (WI & IN). Yes, my father was active duty stationed in Germany at that time. And finally, yes I do have a US Certificate of Citizenship (and I know what a nightmare it is to get one.)
While I was active duty (recently retired) I ran into more than five other servicemember, former GI brats like myself, who also went through the same mess.
So, bottom line is that this COLB with Barrack Obama's name on it doesn't mean a darn thing to me, I want to see the registered birth certificate.
- Traveler
Source?
My first husband went through a similar process. He was born and raised in Aruba. Both of his parents were American citizens. His parents had to register him with the embassy and their was important paperwork that needed to be filed to secure his American citizenship. His birth certificate is from Aruba. As a young adult had quite a bit of paperwork to do to renounce his Dutch citizenship both here in the states and with Aruba. The Dutch Army even tried to draft him.
Are you really that “f” n ignorant? Being born of one parent who is an American does not constitute “Natural Born”
Natural Born means born of two parents who are both American and on American controlled soil.............
Are you a troll or something?
Quite so. Glenn Beck has pegged the birthers nicely. They are a waste of time.
Obama's problem is not that he is constitutionally ineligible. Under the Constitution, he is a natural born citizen, and thus eligible to be president. Obama's problem is not that he fails the Constitution's fine print. Rather it is that he is not an American, natural born or otherwise, in his own mind!
Of course, the Sheeple were supposed to figure that out a year ago last November. But they didn't. He needs to fail big-time, so that even the Sheeple will recognize their mistake!
Besides, why won't he just get Hawaii to send his long form to major news organizations. It's not like it won't stop him from getting a higher job position.
Three little words you need to know!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsX5DzZHkIU&feature=PlayList&p=B278681E23614868&index=0
He is NOT a NBC, he has never been, and he will never be. Additional he is also now a British/E.U. citizens as well probably an Indonesian citizen!!!