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To: thecraw; Drew68
"The definition of "Natural Born Citizen" that requires both parents to be U.S. citizens is nothing more than a fictional device created by birthers specifically to be a standard of eligibility that Obama could not possibly meet. As such, you'll find this definition nowhere in the Constitution or any established case law."

Wishing this requirement is a "fictional device created by birthers" does not make it so

Here's the short version as to why Drew's right, and the 'two citizen parent' requirement is a fictional device:

1) Obama wrote a book, "Dreams From My Father," wherein he makes it abundantly clear that his father was Kenyan, and not a U.S. citizen. The book was published in 1995. It was re-released in 2004. It was a New York Times #1 bestseller, and the audiobook won a 2006 Grammy award.

Ergo, the fact that Barack Obama Sr. was a Kenyan has been a publicly acknowledged fact for 15 years, and has been a VERY publicly acknowledged fact since 2004.

2) Obama Jr. announced he was running for President in February 2007. He won the Iowa Caucus in January 2008, and clinched the Democratic nomination in early June 2008.

3) Despite the very well-known facts of the senior Obama's Kenyan nationality since at least 2004 if not 1995, and despite a contentious Presidential campaign that began in early 2007, when did people start making the argument that Obama Sr.'s Kenyan citizenship made Obama Jr. Constitutionally ineligible, even though he was born in Hawaii to an American mother?

JUNE/JULY 2008

If the 'two citizen parent' requirement were true, and not a fictional device, it is absolutely astounding that no one realized that this was a straightforward Constitutional bar to his eligibility until almost a year and a half into his campaign, and almost 15 years after he published his memoir. Apparently, we're supposed to think that this simple and obvious fact simply escaped EVERYONE'S attention, including every Obama opponent in the country, until mid-2008 when it was suddenly and inexplicably realized that he'd been ineligible all along and nobody had noticed.

But no, the reason that no one advanced this theory until 2008 was because the 'two citizen parent' requirement didn't EXIST until 2008, and didn't start getting passed around until Obama had locked down the Democratic nomination.

201 posted on 01/06/2010 3:16:44 PM PST by LorenC
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To: LorenC; thecraw; Drew68
Here's the short version as to why Drew's right, and the 'two citizen parent' requirement is a fictional device:

Read reply #203. Take particular note of Excerpt 2:

EXCERPT 2: de Vattel’s Law of Nations circa 1758 Book 1, Chapter XIX, § 212: The natives, or NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens…The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.

3) Despite the very well-known facts of the senior Obama's Kenyan nationality since at least 2004 if not 1995, and despite a contentious Presidential campaign that began in early 2007, when did people start making the argument that Obama Sr.'s Kenyan citizenship made Obama Jr. Constitutionally ineligible, even though he was born in Hawaii to an American mother?

BO's mother was unable to transfer her citizenship to BO despite being born in the U.S. per federal law:

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child).

This means she had to be at least 19 years old (14 years old plus 5 years of U.S. physical presence) to satisfy the legal requirement of Section 301(g) and transfer her citizenship to him. However she was only 18. She was 117 days short from being 19 years old.
207 posted on 01/06/2010 4:09:10 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: LorenC
Here's the short version as to why Drew's right, and the 'two citizen parent' requirement is a fictional device ... 3) Despite the very well-known facts of the senior Obama's Kenyan nationality since at least 2004 if not 1995, and despite a contentious Presidential campaign that began in early 2007, when did people start making the argument that Obama Sr.'s Kenyan citizenship made Obama Jr. Constitutionally ineligible ...If the 'two citizen parent' requirement were true, and not a fictional device, it is absolutely astounding that no one realized that this was a straightforward Constitutional bar to his eligibility until almost a year and a half into his campaign

So then, by your line of desperate reasoning, if a bank robber robs a bank and is never caught, then he never robbed the bank, right???

Are you for real here. You Obamanoids have truly descended to the lowest levels of desperation to try to defend your Desperado in Chief. From the moment he announced for the office of POTUS, people with the Constitution in one hand, the facts of his birth in the other, and a brain above, were questioning his qualifications.

247 posted on 01/07/2010 4:42:44 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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