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To: CodeToad
The degree to which these myths just circulate over and over is both fascinating and frightening. There has never been a credible source demonstrating in any way that the COLB posted by Obama’s campaign was a forgery. First, the people cited do not, in fact, have the qualifications to be a true forensic examiner in this area. Anyone can call themselves a “document expert.” Second, having used forensic examiners as witnesses, I can tell you that no reputable expert would claim to discern anything definitive from an Internet image, unless the errors in question are just laughably obvious to the untrained (e.g., wrong title, form, nomenclature).

The COLB posted by the Obama campaign looks exactly like the type of documents Hawaii currently issues upon request. Representatives of Hawaii have so stated, although unlike the supposed “document experts” cited by the committed here, they have routinely and properly noted that they cannot make a definitive determination of authenticity without the document in hand. That doesn't mean they doubt it. It's just what competent professionals say because, well, they're competent and professional.

The COLB in question is simply a printout of the information in Hawaii's electronic database. That documentation was populated by the the original birth documentation. That's a blatantly obvious fact true in any state. If a current Hawaii printout says he was born in Hawaii, that's because the original documentation said it. Even if the original documentation was falsified, which there is no credible reason to believe, it succeeded. Hawaii certainly believes it's documentation says he was born there, and that would be the definitive opinion to any court.

States don't simply say they have the original documentation on file if they know a falsified state document is being prof erred in their name. They are under no privacy law obligations to protect a claim they know to be false. You can't read what they have said to imply they dispute Obama’s Hawaiian birth unless you willfully insist on doing so. They've said they don't know what else they do to address this and have called the whole controversy ridiculous.

And, yes, foreign born citizens can get birth certificates issued by US States. That is an obvious convenience in, for example, the case of adoptions. But states don't knowingly falsify the place of birth on such certificates. I know a young lady born in Korea and adopted in Hawaii. When she requested a COLB, she got one from the state of Hawaii that identifies her place of birth as Korea. I know another young man adopted from Peru who has a California birth certificate. It says he was born in Peru. It's really not mysterious.

I have to agree with Beck and the state of Hawaii. This is both the dumbest thing ever and ridiculous.

139 posted on 01/05/2010 10:22:48 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Are you still here, Troll.


142 posted on 01/05/2010 10:55:27 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: tired_old_conservative

“The COLB posted by the Obama campaign looks exactly like the type of documents Hawaii currently issues upon request. Representatives of Hawaii have so stated”
They did? Mind posting that statement?

“That documentation was populated by the the original birth documentation”

How do you know that? Please state your official source of that information. So far, you would be the only one to have seen or officially know of such information.

Don’t try to lie to us and think you’ll get away with it, again, we are not as stupid as those who support Obama.


145 posted on 01/05/2010 11:38:37 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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