Pro-Life Democrat Predicts Senate Health Care Bill Will ‘Go Down in Flames’ in House, Unless Changes

CNS News ^ | December 23, 2009 | Pete Winn

[SunkenCiv]

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Wonder who’ll be DOA after vacation time is over?

[DennisR]

OK, let’s discuss this. If I need to be corrected, I will be happy to be so. The amendment, in part, says:

“No funds authorized or appropriated by the Act (or amendment made by this Act) may be used to pay for any abortion or to cover any part of the costs of any health plan that includes coverage of abortion, except in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, or unless the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.”

The phrase that bothers me most is: “...including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself...”

So you are saying and very confident that an abortionist will not be able to get around this somehow? If so, I understand your viewpoint. But I do not trust the integrity or honesty of anyone who performs abortions for a living.

[SkyPilot]

Yeah...yeah....yeah.

How many times has the stake in the heart for this criminal bill been forecasted?

Then, it clears every single committee, every singe roll call, every single floor vote.

Satan himself is pulling the levers on this one.

By the way, if you are not an "approved minority", you are going to have less health care rights under this plan. The Offices of Civil Rights and Minority Health ensure that.

Google it.

[CPT Clay]

Does Stupak sit in any leadership positions on any committee’s?

What do Rahm and Nancy have to hold over his head?

Does he have 40 others who are willing to be stripped of all support and even primaried?

[rhema]

Does Stupak sit in any leadership positions on any committee’s? What do Rahm and Nancy have to hold over his head? Does he have 40 others who are willing to be stripped of all support and even primaried?

I don't know about the others' fortitude, but Stupak has gotten out farther on a limb than any other House or Senate member. I'd like to hope the conventional wisdom (i.e., he'll fold as Ben Nelson did) is wrong here, that there's one principled pro-life House Democrat, anyway.

[CPT Clay]

Nancy has a 41 seat majority. She can afford to lose a few and still jam it down our throat.

[LS]

Don’t know. All I know is the track record of supposedly “principled” Democrats is about equal to that of Hugo Chavez, which is to say, consistently left.

[okie01]

Let’s see..Lincoln, Landrieu, Leiberman, Nelson....all were going to “stand firm”..now, we’re told it’s Bart....ya think?

The Yoopers are about to get a Bridge to Nowhere, a mag-lev project from Escanaba to Marquette...and a spaceport for the Keeweenaw Peninsula.

But, in the end, they'll have to deal with taxpayer-funded abortion.

[rushmom]

Eighty percent of the money that goes to Catholic Charities come from the government.

[rushmom]

Far from it. I am much more orthodox. I call ‘em like I see em. The hierarchy is wrong about a lot of things. There are priests who would admit that to you. But there are many priests and bishops who turn a blind eye to the sewer culture we live in because that don’t want to upset the applecart. They get too much money from the liberals who run government. They may not like the abortion language in the health care bill, but you must notice that they could be a whole lot more forceful about it.

[MortMan]

I'm not putting faith in the abortionists at all. I'm only pointing out that the preferred "pro-abortion" wording is an exception for the health of the mother, as opposed to the life. From a legal viewpoint, using the word "life" makes the law much, much stronger.

While I would prefer that elective abortion be illegal, exemptions for the life of the mother make sense to me - especially when the mother is a multiple-mom. The other kids deserve a chance to have a mother, too.

Sorry if I sounded like I was scolding - I didn't mean to.

[DennisR]

No problem. And, as you mentioned, the wording does appear to be stronger.

One other point should be made about abortion - the (in financial terms) low cost of obtaining one. In Washington State where I live the average abortion costs $550. If it is so important to someone to have an abortion, why cannot they dig up the money themselves? Sell something; cancel internet, cell phone, cable; borrow the money from friends or relatives; go to a nonprofit for the money; ask Planned Parenthood to do it for free; do not go to the movies or the fast-food restaurant; and so forth.

[PapaBear3625]

Let’s see..Lincoln, Landrieu, Leiberman, Nelson....all were going to “stand firm”..now, we’re told it’s Bart....ya think?

The Clinton Assault Weapon Ban of '94 was pronounced dead a few times as well, until it finally passed. Do not assume ObamaCare is dead until after it's had its head cut off and stuffed with garlic.

[Sun]

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[Sun]

“‘ABORTION COMPROMISE’ DOES NOT ADDRESS CORE PROBLEM IN SENATE HEALTH BILL, SAYS CARDINAL DINARDO, BISHOPS’ PRO-LIFE CHAIR”

http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2009/09-263.shtml

[Sun]

I believe he is far more prolife than Benedict Arnold Nelson. Stupak talks about the “sanctity of life.” Nelson never did.

Anybody from his district? CALL, visit or write him.

[kcvl]

B S !!!