Not so much. "Homosexual" describes sexual orientation. You can be "homosexual" even while being a lifelong celibate. "Behavior and acts" are not required (aside from the non-overt behavior of a sexual arousal response).
Does the sexual arousal response require "volition"? Can you seriously affirm that?
I can only speak as a heterosexual male, but I have never known it to. To the contrary, it requires volition -- and often a great deal of it -- to suppress the response. Likewise it would require volition -- indeed far greater volition than I have ever experienced or can even imagine experiencing -- to reorient my arousal response from females to males.
As to the "born that way" question, although I consider it irrelevant to whether homosexuals and be conservative, and irrelevant to the specific sense in which I compared the circumstance of black and homosexual conservatives (see preceding message) I'll give my views such as they are.
I've only questioned a couple of psychiatrists on this topic, but both answered in conformity with my inexpert expectations. They both said that homosexuality is not a single, simple condition. They said that certainly some individuals are "born" homosexuals, but that some aren't.
I suspect that the large majority of self-identified homosexuals are "born that way". But if I'm off in my guesstimation of percentages, it doesn't bother me. I welcome gays into the conservative movement regardless of how they got gay.
lj: People who are homosexual can change, are not born that way, and such behavior is far from benign or neutral. “Homosexual” describes behavior and acts, and as such, requires volition.
Not so much. “Homosexual” describes sexual orientation. You can be “homosexual” even while being a lifelong celibate. “Behavior and acts” are not required (aside from the non-overt behavior of a sexual arousal response).
Does the sexual arousal response require “volition”? Can you seriously affirm that?
lj: I spent several years on FR debating and discussing and informing people as well as learning a tremendous amount about homosexuality and the homosexual agenda. Due to psychological factors which include an absent or distant father, early molestation and seduction, and cultural norms that promote sexual experimentation, people develop same sex attraction, often feeling that they’ve “always been that way”.
It is a deep topic, and one I am tired of. You are a koolaid drinker who believes the homosexual propaganda. So be it.
The proof that homosexuals are not born that way is that there are countless numbers of former homosexuals.
I can only speak as a heterosexual male, but I have never known it to. To the contrary, it requires volition — and often a great deal of it — to suppress the response. Likewise it would require volition — indeed far greater volition than I have ever experienced or can even imagine experiencing — to reorient my arousal response from females to males.
lj: You likely did not have the psychological, familial or behavioral factors that help create homosexuality. You probably were not molested or seduced as a child or adolescent by an older homosexual, as a great number of them have been.
As to the “born that way” question, although I consider it irrelevant to whether homosexuals and be conservative, and irrelevant to the specific sense in which I compared the circumstance of black and homosexual conservatives (see preceding message) I’ll give my views such as they are.
lj: Again putting homosexuals and black people into the same box. There are no former black people. There are plenty of former homosexuals.
I’ve only questioned a couple of psychiatrists on this topic, but both answered in conformity with my inexpert expectations. They both said that homosexuality is not a single, simple condition. They said that certainly some individuals are “born” homosexuals, but that some aren’t.
lj: It’s hard to believe that you know nothing of the historical takeover of the psychiatric profession. They were bullied into removing homosexuality from the list of mental disorders, for one thing. And anyone can claim that homosexuals are born that way, but to date, no one has any proof other than their own statements.
I suspect that the large majority of self-identified homosexuals are “born that way”. But if I’m off in my guesstimation of percentages, it doesn’t bother me. I welcome gays into the conservative movement regardless of how they got gay.
I’d welcome them if they never mentioned their sex life, orientation or attractions, and did not start or join organizations loudly announcing the same. And espoused conservative principles, and did not use conservative or Repub. organizations to promote the “gay” agenda.