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To: Smokin' Joe
Another conspiracy paranoiac. Take off your rose colored glasses/contacts, Joe.

Anyone can say the words. Klansman David Duke followed basically the same politics that the Bircher's embrace. Nutzie Murray Rothbard was the founder of the modern libertarian movement, a good friend of a Bircher backer named Ron Paul and someone who had a political kinship with the JBS. Rothbard seemed not to have a problem with David Duke.

"It is fascinating that there was nothing in Duke's current program or campaign that could not also be embraced by paleoconservatives or paleolibertarians; lower taxes, dismantling the bureaucracy, slashing the welfare system, attacking affirmative action and racial set-asides, calling for equal rights for all Americans, including whites, what's wrong with any of that?".

Just words.

Frankly, the overwhelming majority of Americans have a problem with the habits of David Duke, Murray Rothbard and the Birchers. Especially us traditional mainstream conservatives.

241 posted on 12/22/2009 4:06:31 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man
Well, you spent a lot of time telling me how David Duke agreed with the JBS on some issues, how Ron Paul supported the JBS, How Rothbard (Is his first name Nutzie?) was friends with Ron Paul, but not how those views espoused by the JBS they agreed with are wrong.

Nor does that in any way imply that the JBS always (or ever) agrees with them in all they believe.

The same fallacy was used to brand Ron Paul a "neonazi" because some guys from Stormfront gave him a campaign donation.

If David Duke were to say the sky is blue, would that mean those who also see a blue sky are KKK members?

If I agree with you that we need smaller government, that Rights just aren't Rights unless they are Rights for all citizens, enforced with equal vigor, does that make me a JBS hater, too? (even though that is the position the JBS takes, too).

I think you are quick to condemn a group because of the people who might support it or even part of what the group stands for.

Where does that sort of reasoning leave the Republican Party?

Go read, as I have, what the JBS has had to say. Don't just jump up and yell "nutcase", "nazi", "klan", or "troofer", but read it. Go to their back issues and read what they said about the Clintons, about where that policy was leading. Read about Waco, OK City, Ruby Ridge, Flight 800, Vince Foster, the WTC Bombing ('93).

If you are not in complete denial, you will find that often they were right, long before people who had not been paying attention.

If they are at times a bit hyperbolic in their predictions, it is the desire to not appear to fulfil those predictions which may have slowed our enemies propelling our descent into Socialism.

It is those who deny the evidence before them who have sped it up.

You are fast to call me a "conspiracy paranoiac", especially in times where the government is (without Constitutional authorization) taking over sector after sector of private industry, siezing powers against the wishes of the people, and rotten with the reek of global socialism. Especially just after a conference was held where the leaders of the world who were ready to sign away our rights were only thwarted by the timely release of data and communiques exposing the AGW fraud for what it is--a position the JBS has taken for years (that AGW is a fraud) while warning of the dangers of 'cap and trade'.

UN (Global Socialist) dominion over entire economies (including ours) isn't 'New World Order' enough for you?

Paranoia implies that one is deluded into believing that an entity or entities are out to get them. Any Conservative worthy of the appellation can see that our philosophies are at direct odds with a government run by people pledged to eliminate the American way of life, and even when our "friends" run the show, government continues to head the wrong way.

261 posted on 12/22/2009 10:42:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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