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To: Scutter

>I’m trying to keep a positive attitude about all this, but after seeing someone like Obama get elected, it’s really hard. <

Your post was excellent and I think your right about so much of it. But one thing is a misnomer.

Obama may have been elected. But there are a few things that need to be sited about his election that you can take heart in.

First of all, over 3 million ACORN ballots were found to be fraudulent. Dead people, double registrations, fictitious people whatever. (it doesn’t change the fact after, but they know now)
Second, a lot of times in an election, people are not voted in, but rather people are voted out. Obama knew this and ran against BUSH. It was clear he was trying to bash bush the whole time and make McCain out to be another bush.
So he won basically against a man who was VERY unpopular, even though he was not running against him.
In this sense, he was not voted in, but rather it was a signal that they wanted something other than bush.
Third, McCain was not strong and outspoken. he did not back up Palin and he looked like he was not much better than Obama himself.
There was no real clear choice there.
Fourth and perhaps most important was that Obama promised the world and has delivered squat. he lied and most of his base realizes that now.
He has gotten the dubious honor of having the worst popularity after his first term than any other president in history. People realize that they were duped. They don’t like it. he lied to them and most people hate that even from a politician.

The ones who are still die hards are about the most ignorant and idealist people ever. they refuse to look at facts and don’t want to admit that they could have been lied to. They consider themselves too smart.
They can not hold out forever, as the popularity dwindles for obama, and the fanfare dies down, they will switch sides as fast as we change our socks.

Obama is in for a downfall, people will want substance from now on.
His bag of tricks has worn thin. Every time he wants something, it is a catastrophe - immediate threat or some other fear mongering tactic he can think of. It is old already and he knows it. But he can’t switch gears now, he has locked himself into his position.
the only real threat is now that he has time to do much damage.
We must do what we can to stop it, but the more outrageous he becomes the less people will like him.
Personally, I think after this health bill, they have about expended all their good will, first year give him a chance bs and they have been pained socialist. It is going to be hard to push much more through without being watched close.


624 posted on 12/20/2009 12:26:27 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz
You're right, and there are some things to make one hopeful.

Regarding the ACORN ballots, that is a frequent misconception that I see here. There weren't 3 million fraudulent ballots. There may have been 3 million fraudulent voter registration attempts, but these were discovered and thrown out. No doubt some unknown number of fraudulent voter registrations got through, and no doubt some percentage of those were associated with fraudulent votes. However, no one knows how many of these there were.

Regarding the death care bill, the problem with this is that the Democrats have crafted it so that the destructive aspects mostly occur after the 2012 election. I think if we ever are looking at how to fix the Constitution to prevent the usurpation of the rights and limits enumerated therein, one area we need to look at is Congress passing laws or tax increases that take effect after their term.

627 posted on 12/20/2009 12:33:25 PM PST by Scutter
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