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Senate health Care Debate - Live Thread
C-Span ^ | 12/19/09 | US Senate

Posted on 12/19/2009 4:34:45 AM PST by BCrago66

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To: onyx

The CBO score won’t change anything because this bill is less expensive than the original Reid bill. However, this is far from over. The abortion language is an absolute abomination. Nelson got nothing in that regard. It funds abortion unless a state legislature “opts out”. The lack of of an official public option and this abortion language is going to be a real problem in the House. Plus, voting this nonsense through late at night on Christmas Even will tick off the American people like nothing in recent memory. We all have to just keep fighting.


121 posted on 12/19/2009 6:50:42 AM PST by GOPToad
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To: onyx

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/democrats-say-they-clinch-deal-on-health-care-overhauls/

Mr. Reid’s amendment includes major restrictions on abortion that were intended to win support for the bill from Mr. Nelson. Under Mr. Reid’s proposal, health insurance plans are not required or forbidden to cover abortion services, but there is a major exemption that would give states power to prohibit abortion coverage in the insurance markets, or exchanges, where most health plans would be sold.

Mr. Reid’s amendment also includes a substantial increase in federal contributions to Nebraska’s costs of providing Medicaid coverage to the power.


122 posted on 12/19/2009 6:51:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: goldstategop

When the bill is voted on after conference committee, can it be filibustered, or does it need a simple majority to pass?


123 posted on 12/19/2009 6:51:29 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: onyx

I wish I had some Democrat friends or relatives I could boot out into the snow over the holidays...


124 posted on 12/19/2009 6:51:49 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: onyx

How did the priest respond? Interested because I share your emotions.


125 posted on 12/19/2009 6:51:57 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: maggief; BCrago66; All
Full text: Reid's Manager's Amendment to HC bill

Reid's amendment has finally been unveiled. We expect the CBO Scoring to be released before noon today. It is presently being read in full on CSPAN2.

The amendment runs 383 pages - should be about 9 hours to read.

126 posted on 12/19/2009 6:52:42 AM PST by onyx
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To: All

“Centrist” PRESSER ALERT!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73055-ben-nelson-gives-health-bill-its-60th-vote

The Nebraska centrist will discuss his position in detail at a 10:00 a.m. press conference at the Capitol.


127 posted on 12/19/2009 6:53:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Fox is now reporting that Nelson got a deal similar to Landrieu's. In other words, he was bought off, which I'm sure is what he wanted in the first place.

Never trust a Rat, you people.

128 posted on 12/19/2009 6:53:47 AM PST by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: onyx
The amendment runs 383 pages - should be about 9 hours to read.

I've been watching it. They sure didn't want that amendment read, eh? Hopefully the rat b******s will all be snowed in. It would serve them right.

129 posted on 12/19/2009 6:56:07 AM PST by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: truthkeeper

Inquiry for corruption should be launched!
VOTES ARE NOT FOR SALE to CHICAGO THUGS


130 posted on 12/19/2009 6:56:37 AM PST by Ulysse (a)
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To: Mom MD

It can and will be fillibustered. The conference report can’t be changed, however. It’s a pure up or down vote. The question is what the House will do. Last I heard the conference committee will meet on Friday and the House will want major changes. Then, each chamber votes again. Lots of voting to go before Obamacare becomes law.


131 posted on 12/19/2009 6:56:42 AM PST by GOPToad
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To: Ulysse

Unfortunately, they all are in the Obamanation.


132 posted on 12/19/2009 6:58:29 AM PST by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: GOPToad

Nelson making statement now.


133 posted on 12/19/2009 7:00:17 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: onyx

The utter irony is that two days ago Nelson said his vote was not for sale. FOX is discussing openly that he received concessions for his state. He’s worse than a whore. A whore makes her living in a direct way- no subterfuge.

I hate them, God help me, I hate them. Your priest wouldn’t get too far with me, either ;)

Nelson is live now on FOX.


134 posted on 12/19/2009 7:00:21 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: GOPToad
The Democrats have two issues: to have a bill without a public option and with abortion restrictions in it. They'll swallow them because that's the only way to grease passage through Congress. They're willing to take 90% now and get the rest later.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

135 posted on 12/19/2009 7:01:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: paulycy
Thank you, paul.

sw

136 posted on 12/19/2009 7:02:13 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: goldstategop

BLAH BLAH BLAH BEN.


137 posted on 12/19/2009 7:02:28 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: maggief

Nelson basically endorsed to the proposition that a baby in New York or California has less of right to live than a baby in Alabama or Utah (because in the former States, there’s no barrier for the mother to take federal money to pay the abortionist to do his grisly work.)

That’s a “principled,” “moderate” Democrat for ya.


138 posted on 12/19/2009 7:02:36 AM PST by BCrago66
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To: onyx
So much for Ben Nelson and his solemn promise to the unborn.

Hey Nebraska!

Enough with the RATs (Nelson) and RINOs (Hagel)

This should teach you that it's time to get back to some good old country conservatives.

139 posted on 12/19/2009 7:03:29 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: GOPToad

I am usually an optimist. However, on this one I feel a resigned inevitability. Everyone was sure it would not get out of the house - it did. Then everyone was sure they would not get 60 votes in the senate - they did. I have little hope that the congress will not eventually pass this monster.

It saddens me immensely. As a taxpayer, I am already shouldering many peope’s share of the burden, and am sick of it. I already pay >50% of my income in state and local taxes. Next year I will be working harder to pay for college, and that percentage will be increased. If this monster passes, I expect that tax burden to skyrocket.

As a physician, it may mean the end of my career. If a public option passes, I will retire. I will not end my career as a government employee.

Elections do have consequences, and the net leeches in society who already live off me have put the screws to me even further in the last election.


140 posted on 12/19/2009 7:04:18 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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