[Old Teufel Hunden]

"I will NEVER forgive Lie-berman for his support of the 2000 election re-re-re-recount fiasco."

I agree about Leiberman not joining the Republican party though I like having him on my side in a debate when we can get him. I thought Ben Nelson was rather conservative. As for the deal I was talking about, what I meant was offer the deal for Joe to keep his chair of homeland security which he's solid on for his vote on this.

I do believe that this is that important to be stopped. If we don't stop this, then we will truly be gliding down the primrose path to socialism. This healthcare crap will open the door to all kinds of other socialist policies that we might never be able to step away from. So much so that in 10 - 15 years, this will not be the America I grew up in.

[fwdude]

Agreed on Lie-berman, we can use him where he has proven conservative principles. But he can never be trusted fully - and that is a major liability of a political party.

Ben Nelson has yet to prove himself on the final vote, either to approve this piece of excrement legislation or to filibuster. Dems are known to cave at the last minute, and wouldn't be surprised a bit if this happens.

This is only one of many abominations to be stopped, and if we succeed, we will be dead if we rest on our laurels thinking we have stopped socialism - I don't even think we'll have luxury of time to celebrate. The vicious, incessant attack on family institutions continues, the most radical abortion activists now have a listening ear in the executive and legislative branches, gun-grabbers are crafting their language for their next legislative assault, and the border is about to be cracked wide open. We are truly at war.