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12/11/2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Natural Law

What’s reprehensible is your attempts to induce quarrels between our brothers and sisters.


2,361 posted on 12/14/2009 2:57:06 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I just told you.

I know that: what BOOK is it recorded in?

2,362 posted on 12/14/2009 2:57:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
I also reject Sola Scriptura and recognize and accept the continuing role of the Holy Spirit in guiding God's church.

Ignore that "it is finished" thingy...

2,363 posted on 12/14/2009 2:59:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Do you think I am mormon?

No!

They tend to only SUPPORT each other in the VISIBLE thread. If there are any problems, they hit the PRIVATE REPLY tab.

2,364 posted on 12/14/2009 3:01:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
To undermine the process is to undermine the product.

Well; theey've not added anything to it in about 2000 years; so it PROBABLY won't be growing anytime soon.

(Unlike the MORMONs; who are salivating for their Living Prophet® to give them some fresh word from GOD.)

2,365 posted on 12/14/2009 3:03:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Elsie was speaking as “Mormon Dude”.

You foul ANTI!

He was away from the keyboard!!!

I can speak for my self!!!!

--MormonDupe(As long as I say what the Prophet© would have me to say...)

2,366 posted on 12/14/2009 3:05:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Hey!

HEY!!!

I resemble that remark!

2,367 posted on 12/14/2009 3:07:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Calling people apostates condemns them, and not from FR either.

Oh my!!

"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said ___WHATEVER__ but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )

2,368 posted on 12/14/2009 3:10:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wagglebee; Petronski
Both of the approaches you suggest (Supreme Court action or Constitutional amendment) are fine with me.

What I reject is the idea of outlawing abortion by something like an executive order.

2,369 posted on 12/14/2009 3:12:03 PM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: restornu
Just to show how much intolerance FR allows towards the LDS as you and a small group of anti who daily for almost a decade to take out of context and spin as well as to stalk LDS whenever spotted in open forums.

Sweetheart: you've had MANY chances in these threads to EXPLAIN what JS 'learned' to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism; yet you refuse to do it.

1. You either do NOT know (strange - since you claim to have once BEEN a follower of that Denomination) the answer to the question, or...

2. You DO know; but for a reason known ONLY to you, you REFUSE to answer the question.

2,370 posted on 12/14/2009 3:16:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Notary Sojac; wagglebee
What I reject is the idea of outlawing abortion by something like an executive order.

This kind of Emancipation Proclamation for the Unborn is something I would welcome with tears of joy.

2,371 posted on 12/14/2009 3:16:09 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: restornu
Just to show how much intolerance FR allows towards the LDS as you and a small group of anti who daily for almost a decade to take out of context and spin as well as to stalk LDS whenever spotted in open forums.

60,000 STALKERS can't be wrong - for THEY will come right up to your DOOR!

2,372 posted on 12/14/2009 3:17:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Just to show how much intolerance FR allows towards the LDS as you and a small group of anti who daily for almost a decade to take out of context and spin as well as to stalk LDS whenever spotted in open forums.

60,000 STALKERS can't be wrong - for THEY will come right up to your DOOR!

2,373 posted on 12/14/2009 3:17:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

“xcamel is no longer with us.....”

I just noticed that myself - what happened (or was it just a long time coming)?


2,374 posted on 12/14/2009 3:18:23 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: restornu
Just to show how much intolerance FR allows towards the LDS as you and a small group of anti who daily for almost a decade to take out of context and spin as well as to stalk LDS whenever spotted in open forums.

 I cannot afford a big statue!

 
 
 
 
 
 
You BETCHA!!
 
Resty; if you CAN'T stand the heat; stay out of the FORUM!!

2,375 posted on 12/14/2009 3:20:52 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law

I guess you don't drink THIS stuff then!

2,376 posted on 12/14/2009 3:23:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Than if Elsie wants to talk about doctrine why not do as reaganaut she did not attack my post she started her own.

That's where the money is!

-- Willie Sutton

2,377 posted on 12/14/2009 3:25:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petronski
Emancipation Proclamation for the Unborn

And indeed you have every right to desire that. But those who advocate it should do so openly, and not by stealth.

And in particular not by using vague weasel words. "I favor enforcing the law" means something entirely different from "I favor closing every abortion mart in America immediately by Presidential executive order". Heck, Obama has probably rationalized the crazed actions he's taking as "enforcing the law".

Any presidential candidate who intends to take such action should be crystal clear about that intent from day one of the campaign.

2,378 posted on 12/14/2009 3:28:25 PM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
the "new testament" authoritatively interprets and "fulfills" the "old" is not self-evidently true

The old also speaks of the new - it works both ways. Jesus came to fulfill the law and He did just that. We are no longer under the 'law' but under grace. The new testament clearly shows that. If one choses to live under the law, they will be judged by the law. No one can honestly say they can live by the law. Remember what happened to the man when he picked up sticks on the Sabbath?

The law was imposed to show man what God's righteousness was. The religious were going around claiming to be righteous and He instituted the law to show what righteousness was and to reign in on all the lawlessness - and we ALL fall short and could never attain righteousness because of our sin nature. We needed a Savior.

Jesus, the spotless Lamb, came to fulfill the law for us. He covered the sins of all but many don't accept it; instead, think their good works or reading the bible or attending a service will get them to heaven. NOT SO! Unless one accepts Jesus as their Savior, who believe in what He did at The Cross, is covered. Even though he shed His blood for ALL. We must accept it by faith - not understand it - but by faith only. We receive salvation by His Grace through our faith in what He did for us. Jesus did His part - grace, we must do our part - faith. It's no wonder God's Word stresses obedience to His Word - whether we under stand it or not - obey first (faith) and understanding follows. Come to me as a child.

Why anyone thumbs their nose at a priceless paid in full gift is beyond me. Is it pride or a lack of knowledge - who knows. Jesus did his part but it's our decision in this lifetime where we want to spend eternity - according to HIS rules, not ours. It's not in God's hands, He already did everything so we can be with Him for eternity and that's what He wants and why Jesus came. That's why The Bible is called the Good News.

BTW, no offense taken or given.
2,379 posted on 12/14/2009 3:28:28 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Elsie
I know that: what BOOK is it recorded in?

And I quoted the verse in GENESIS that mentions it.

2,380 posted on 12/14/2009 3:31:55 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vaya`an Yosef 'et-Par`oh le'mor bil`aday; 'Eloqim ya`aneh 'et-shelom Par`oh.)
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