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Posted on 12/09/2009 2:48:08 PM PST by neverdem
It matters because the libertarians manage to throw close elections to democrats, Maria Cantwell for instance, and libertarians serve as the left’s fifth columnist within the conservative movement as they war against American values and culture with their radically leftist views on homosexuality and immigration and abortion and national defense, etc.
My statement still stands.
No politician is entitled to anyone's vote. It is the Republican's job to attract voters with a message funny how libertarians are spoilers in the election but they're insignificant and will get .0001% of the vote before the election.
BTW both Gorton and Burns were RINOs
Those whackos in post 8 are THE libertarians, they are the people that dropped the conservative and/or republican facade and actually joined the libertarian party.
The Drug War (and I include Prohibition) has led to an expansion of government power throughout society, then the follow-up demonization of THOSE objects/substances has led to not only the erosion of our basic liberties (perhaps even more than regulations or taxes) but has led to the demonization of weapons and the same type of logic used to ban them—which changes our power in relation to the State and eviscerates our right to self-defense.
You should be for ending the War on Drugs, even if you’re not for open borders (which can never work, even if we DID destroy the Welfare state.)
You're not comprehending
All the Republican candidate has to do is run on a solid conservative message mixed in with some libertarian goals, and there wouldn't be a libertarian candidate to piss and moan about.
The Republicans did this in 2006 over the online poker ban. Yeah, yeah I know you don't believe people should gamble because it's evil and they'll be struck down by God, but it highlighted the GOP's hypocrisy on limited gov't. Libertarians saw that and the GOP paid the price at the polls.
and libertarians serve as the left’s fifth columnist
When have you seen the libertarian candidate get tons of news coverage and the MSM breathlessly reporting on how the GOP is losing it's principles and the libertarian should win? Please by all means post links of this occurring.
within the conservative movement as they war against American values and culture with their radically leftist views on homosexuality and immigration and abortion and national defense, etc.
They're NOT promoting any of this. C'mon now Ansell. Libertarians believe that gov't should get out of social issues and let local communities deal with them, and I agree 100%. They support rampant immigration but you fail to realize that there would be no welfare state or anchor baby status or enormous taxes and regulations on businesses that are forcing them to hire illegals in the first place. More than likely illegals would go through the proper channels to become legal citizens, and while I oppose that too and support a border fence at least their stand on immigration is still much tougher than most of the GOP.
I do not think legalizing drugs could make the problems any worse than they are presently.
Sorry I'm not buying it.
The GOP is trending left and libertarians are abandoning it because it's too conservative?
ROFL
You just pointed out how libertarians are fifth columnists, all the conservatives have to do to get the lib vote is too give up conservatism. No thanks.
The libers like the conservatives economics but they want them to abandon the rest of conservatism, that makes them liberal tools.
They're being funded by Dem operatives to purposefully split the GOP vote? But I thought they were irrelevant pot-smokers and was going to get .00001% of the vote anyway. So which is it?
They can be a bigger part of the problem than the solution.
But when they're called a bunch of kooks by hoity-toity tight-assed Republicans what do you expect them to do? Cheerfully vote Republican? Just limit the gov't and cut the taxes, and stop pandering to "moderates" all the time, and you'll get their votes. Sheesh
Drugs should not be legalized except for marijuana and even that should be up to the states.
Good luck. I have a feeling that this, like pretty much else, will fall on deaf ears with the Thirdpardation faction here on FR.
Sure thing, Mr. Statist Lite
Wrong
The problem is that Republican candidates try to appease the "moderates" by downplaying or being liberal on social issues. That's how they lose.
At the same time, no one's going to vote for an Alan Keyes' fire and brimstoner.
McDonnell of VA is a perfect example of someone who balanced this beautifully. He is a social conservative who didn't back down from his faith but didn't make it an issue either. He won handily, and the independents that voted for him were the libertarians you like to malign.
Your generalization of libertarians being immoral degenerates is simply false.
Cocaine, meth, LSD and heroin should be freely purchased at Walgreens?
Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.
I believe that efforts to control the behavior of others is generally counterproductive, and a waste of time and energy, UNLESS the behavior materially damages another person, without their consent.
Abortion, IMHO, is the material damaging of another human without their consent, and hence should be punished by law.
The application of justice toward damaging behavior should be swift and severe. The use of jails as a form of punishment is a waste of time. If one is found guilty of materially damaging another one of three things should happen.
1) Fined, including loss of all material goods
2) Punished - whipped, public humiliation, etc.
30 Death penalty.
Under the old British law system, the operant definition of a felony was a crime to which the punishment was death. I do not see the current penal system being an improvement on this. The crime for perjury in court is precisely the same as that give to the criminal, so perjury in a capital case results in the death penalty, so does wanton judicial malfeasance.
The consistent application of these rules would stop the vast majority of the horrible behavior in this country. Perjury, and judicial malfeasance would also be greatly diminished
Agree entirely
Most Libertarians are very comfortable with Republicans,
until Republicans act like Big Government types
that use the Federal Government to
regulate individual behavior
Most Libertarians I know are actually quite, personally, conservative. They just believe it is a waste of energy to regulate personal behavior, unless that behavior materially damages another human, without their consent.
That is the libertarian position, they also want unlimited advertising of the products.
Who one associates with speaks volumes. Third parties don’t work. There are two major parties. I would rather change the party (GOP) than jump ship when the going gets tough. While I have some libertarian points, that party goes too far and is very unrealistic. Ron Paul is a great example.
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