Rasmussen: Tea Party Tops GOP on Three-Way Generic Ballot

Rasmussen ^ | Dec 07, 2009

[MestaMachine]

Yo! Remember when Gramma was scared of the computer? What is worse, knowing we are definitely losing our country and not trying to save it, or trying to save it without knowing exactly what the results might be?
Going into slavery with your eyes wide open is insane. If there is even the slightest chance we can stop it and we don’t try, we insure our children will never have a future. I don’t really see a choice here.

[sam_paine]

If there is even the slightest chance we can stop it and we don’t try, we insure our children will never have a future. I don’t really see a choice here.

Exactly. Unless Kirk and Buckley were wrong, our best chance is to "stand astride history and scream STOP!"

Conservatism is about preserving and protecting the cultural and societal contract of long-tested traditions. Things like life, liberty, personal property, rule of law, marriage, etc.

Meanwhile, what are we saving?

Laura Ingraham had a good comment the other day on that freakshow of gay on the American Music Awards. Where outrageous ludeness didn't even evoke raised eyebrows, much less outrage.

She asked, "Is this the country we're fighting to save?"

Suppose we win congress and potus. The morality and social and economic traditions of the country continue to crumble.

[ModelBreaker]

“Do you really believe that all these “Indies and Democrats” that you’re so happy about attracting are in the end going to hang in there with the conservatives?”

Actually, it splits several ways. The D’s attracted to the tea parties tend, I believe, to be socially conservative (abortion, guns)—Reagan Democrats—who have choked on Obama’s 1 Trillion a year additions to the deficit and healthcare takeover.

There are a lot of I’s that would like to see a balanced budget and smaller government but could give a hoot about killing unborn babies but support the second amendment.

When you combine that with moderate R’s (who believe in lots of spending, bigger government, and don’t give a hoot about killing babies, or the right to bear firearms), and actual conservatives (reduce spending, small government and protecting the unborn), you have an almost impossible coalition to keep together.

As you so correctly point out, the only thing that unites the tea parties and the Republicans is opposition to our current governing class (the “anti-democrat party”). That may work for one election. But eventually the Republicans will need a better platform than “Vote for us, we don’t suck as much as the Democrats.” However true that may be, it eventually leads to a 2008 election debacle.

[ModelBreaker]

“Do you really believe that all these “Indies and Democrats” that you’re so happy about attracting are in the end going to hang in there with the conservatives?”

Actually, it splits several ways. The D’s attracted to the tea parties tend, I believe, to be socially conservative (abortion, guns)—Reagan Democrats—who have choked on Obama’s 1 Trillion a year additions to the deficit and healthcare takeover.

There are a lot of I’s that would like to see a balanced budget and smaller government but could give a hoot about killing unborn babies but support the second amendment.

When you combine that with moderate R’s (who believe in lots of spending, bigger government, and don’t give a hoot about killing babies, or the right to bear firearms), and actual conservatives (reduce spending, small government and protecting the unborn), you have an almost impossible coalition to keep together.

As you so correctly point out, the only thing that unites the tea parties and the Republicans is opposition to our current governing class (the “anti-democrat party”). That may work for one election. But eventually the Republicans will need a better platform than “Vote for us, we don’t suck as much as the Democrats.” However true that may be, it eventually leads to a 2008 election debacle.

[Earthdweller]

So the plan is to stand aside and let them have their way...let them destroy the Constitution and the Country from the top down...turn it over into the hands of a commie totalitarian and then before they drink from their first victory cup, kick their butts out.

Sounds exactly what Iran did.

Hoooboy... Theocracy here we come. What maroons leftists are. They don't even have enough sense to save themselves.

[Zhang Fei]

This is great. The next step is obviously for someone to organize a Tea Party slate of candidates so that Democrats can sweep elections for the next hundred years. But losing elections is actually a good thing for the conservative movement, since defeat builds character. I see a lot of character-building in the years ahead.

[Theodore R.]

You must have figured out why Julie Nixon Eisenhower (and Ron Reagan, Jr., for that matter) endorsed Obama.

[Theodore R.]

One of our major problems is that Repbulican primary voters are so uninformed that they don’t know how take back the party.

[Earthdweller]

Actually it kind of sounds like they don't really want the party back. Some are happy to let the entire thing fall and start all over...from scratch....as in pre-1776.

Seems like a pretty easy way out for some people. Just sit back and watch the leftists rip it apart for them. Iran did it..

[hattend]

“Steve-B shows you how”

Do I need more coffee? Who is Steve-B?

[Prokopton]

The GOP is owned and led by demrats thru their surrogates—RINOs. Do you really think they will simply walk away and let conservatives take over?

In most areas it is incredibly easy to take over a BPOU. Get a few friends, go to the meetings, vote yourselves in control and take over the BPOU. Work your way up from there. If conservatives really do have the numbers and put out the effort, the squishy elites cannot remain in control.

[Prokopton]

One of our major problems is that Repbulican primary voters are so uninformed that they don’t know how take back the party.

People who put out no more effort than showing up to vote, will never "take back the party". These people are merely followers and they will vote how they are "led".

[sam_paine]

So the plan is to stand aside (sic) and let them have their way

LOL. I said "astride," not aside!

Actually, WFB used "athwart."

Anyway, if the car (the GOP) is going the wrong direction, you grab the damn steering wheel and take back control!! You don't fold your arms and let it crash to teach it a lesson.

[La Enchiladita]

Seventy percent (70%) of Republican voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party movement while only seven percent (7%) offer an unfavorable view.

How many are aware of the extent of Ron Paul involvement in the Tea Party movement? It is his campaign that started the Tea Parties.

Is the mythical "Tea Party candidate" in the Rasmussen poll a libertarian, and is the vote an endorsement of the libertarian view?

[Freedom2specul8]

” CONTRARY to McCain’s record and the McCain campaign “platform.”’

Sounds to me the GOP just want name and face recognition, and will sell out to anyone.

[BP2]

73% of Republican voters believe their leaders in Washington are out of touch with the party base.

This should shake up the GOP leadership to the core.

The *TOP* GOP Leadership and their delegates, attempting to be appear Inclusive and Diverse to the MSM and the Left, alienates the Party Base while also wasting efforts and resources on groups of voters that are very, VERY unlikely to change their voting pattern.

Let me offer evidence to ONE of MANY examples of this with the RNC
(BTW, this is not about skin color so much as it's about demographic voting blocks)...

1) First, let's go back and look at the RNC Chairmanship Election in January:

RNC Chairman Vote

Source: CQPolitics, and Poll Pundit

Candidate	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6
Michael Steele	46	48*	51*	60*	79*	91*
Katon Dawson	28	29	34	62	69	77
Saul Anuzis	22	24	24	31	20	Withdrew
Ken Blackwell	20	19	15	15	Withdrew
Mike Duncan	52*	48*	44	Withdrew

     * Candidate won that Round of voting

2) Now, let's look at the #1 and #2 candidates for the RNC Leadership spot:

Michael Stephen Steele is the first person of African American descent to serve in a state-wide office in Maryland, as the Lieutenant Governor of Maryland from 2003 to 2007, where he chaired the Minority Business Enterprise taskforce and actively sought expanded affirmative action policies in the corporate world. He was the first Republican elected to the office.

During Katon Dawson's South Carolina GOP chairmanship, the South Carolina GOP has made progress with outreach to African-Americans and in promoting minorities to leadership positions, electing its first African-American member of the Republican National Committee from the South, and in 2008 the first black Republican State Representative since Reconstruction was elected. In August 2008, Dawson personally argued in an open letter to the Forest Lake Country Club, a whites-only country club of which he was a member, to include minority members (and later resigned his 12-year membership) stating "we have a responsibility to expeditiously make right this longstanding wrong." According to Dawson, he first learned of the restriction on the 80-year-old deed in 2008, and while there are no black members, African-Americans are frequent guests at the club and on the golf course.

3) Now, let's look at the CURRENT GOP.com website front page.

At the top are rotating are images that attempt to show Diversity within the party. A non-scientific count of these rotating images show 8 total Caucasian men and women, 5 Hispanic and 2 Asian faces:

The remaining 10 faces are shown here:

4) NOW, despite all of these RNC efforts to demonstrate Diversity and Inclusiveness toward African Americans, here is a recent Gallop Poll showing Job Approval numbers for Obama since Michael Steele took over as head of the RNC.

ONLY ONE GROUP shows a HIGHER Job Approval Rating for Obama, DESPITE that SAME demographic group having national Unemployment that rivals that of the Great Depression:

Draw your own conclusions.

However, it certainly appears that either: 1) the RNC's message is flawed (i.e., NOT espousing true Conservatism); or 2) certain voting blocks simply will NOT change their support for Obama and the Democrats — regardless of the skin color of the RNC Chairman and its Diverse agenda.

Tip #1 to the RNC: Appeasement doesn't work on the playground, the sports field, or the battlefield. It does NOT work in Politics either.

Tip #2 to the RNC: ALWAYS support your Base FIRST — ALWAYS.

[Freedom2specul8]

What do you think about copying your posts to the Free Republic's Rino Free America Project thread? There is no way I can sumarize the vast amount of valuable information you have provided... And that's what the thread is for..spreading the truth, to help educate others so they understand RINOs and the history of RINOs. Woud you mind?

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

We are searching for perfection and we’re not going to find it here on earth. We must go for the best we can get. It is unconscionable to allow the greater of the evils to govern us. Vote for the best we can get; live to be able to vote in another election and try to improve upon what we have.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

I agree with much of what you’re saying but I also see a whole bunch of so-called conservatives helping elect Dimocrats.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Then get on with it. I’m pulling for you. Let me know what happens.