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To: GourmetDan
You lie when you say “according to Einstein” when I bring up your LUDICROUS ‘gravity imbalance’ ‘factoring in the rest of the universe’ that could cause the Sun to orbit the Earth.

That is NOT “according to Einstein” that is according to YOU. Einstein wasn't stupid, and he would have to be to accept your ‘gravity from the rest of the universe’ model.

345 posted on 12/18/2009 4:12:31 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
"You lie when you say “according to Einstein” when I bring up your LUDICROUS ‘gravity imbalance’ ‘factoring in the rest of the universe’ that could cause the Sun to orbit the Earth."

No I don't.

According to Einstein:

“Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for all CS [coordinate systems], not only those moving uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily, relative to each other? […] The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS.”

Einstein, A. and Infeld, L. (1938) The Evolution of Physics, p.212 (p.248 in original 1938 ed.); Note: CS = coordinate system

According to Hoyle:

“The relation of the two pictures [geocentricity and heliocentricity] is reduced to a mere coordinate transformation and it is the main tenet of the Einstein theory that any two ways of looking at the world which are related to each other by a coordinate transformation are entirely equivalent from a physical point of view.... Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.”

Hoyle, Fred. Nicolaus Copernicus. London: Heinemann Educational Books Ltd., 1973.

And according to Ellis:

"People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” Ellis argues. “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations.” Ellis has published a paper on this. “You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”

Ellis, George, in Scientific American, "Thinking Globally, Acting Universally", October 1995

"That is NOT “according to Einstein” that is according to YOU. Einstein wasn't stupid, and he would have to be to accept your ‘gravity from the rest of the universe’ model."

This from a guy who says, "All things in science are “putative”;...", who uses Alec's Evolution Pages and an article by 'Alec' himself as a 'scientific source' .

The hilarity of your position is dwarfed only by your hypocrisy.

347 posted on 12/21/2009 3:24:22 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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