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The focus on the specific issue of the Swiss banning new minarets, and the allegations of racism that go along with the matter, is really a distraction from broader questions: What is a nation? Can a people legitimately seek to defend anything other than territory?
1 posted on 11/30/2009 1:15:43 PM PST by JimPrevor
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Hey! There is good news to end your day!


2 posted on 11/30/2009 1:17:09 PM PST by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: JimPrevor

The Swiss can see France from their house...


4 posted on 11/30/2009 1:19:53 PM PST by bigbob
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To: JimPrevor
The Swiss can do what they like in Switzerland. It's their country. May I propose another question?

Can America ban islam ... or the construction of mosques ... or the erection of minarets ... and still be America?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What's "religion"? Who gets to define it? Who gets to say them "nay"? What does the "free exercise" of religion mean? How is this to be enforced? What may individuals and organizations do on their own private property?

5 posted on 11/30/2009 1:21:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JimPrevor
The Swiss can do what they like in Switzerland. It's their country. May I propose another question?

Can America ban islam ... or the construction of mosques ... or the erection of minarets ... and still be America?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What's "religion"? Who gets to define it? What does the "free exercise" of religion mean? How is this to be enforced? What may individuals and organizations do on their own private property?

6 posted on 11/30/2009 1:21:41 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JimPrevor

“Can a people legitimately seek to defend anything other than territory?”

Yes they can! They can do anything they please inside of their own borders. It’s their country. If they want to keep it the way it is, that’s up to them.


7 posted on 11/30/2009 1:22:34 PM PST by RC2
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To: Little Ray

Ping


8 posted on 11/30/2009 1:24:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JimPrevor

Two Middle East mothers are sitting in a cafe chatting over a plate of tabouli and a pint of goat’s milk.

The older of the two pulls a bag out of her purse and starts flipping through photos. They start reminiscing.

‘This is my oldest son Mohammed. He would have been 24 years old now.’
‘Yes, I remember him as a baby’ says the other mother cheerfully.
‘ He’s a martyr now though’ mum confides.
‘Oh, so sad dear’ says the other.

And this is my second son Kalid. He would have been 21.’
‘Oh, I remember him,’ says the other happily, ‘he had such curly hair
when he was born’.
‘He’s a martyr too’ says mum quietly.
‘Oh, gracious me ...’ Says the other.

‘And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed.
He would have been 18, she whispers.
‘Yes’ says the friend enthusiastically, ‘I remember when he first started school’

‘He’s a martyr also,’ says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says...

‘They blow up so fast, don’t they...’


9 posted on 11/30/2009 1:33:32 PM PST by himno hero
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To: JimPrevor

“Country” is a geographic area. “Nation” is a collection of people with common characteristics.


10 posted on 11/30/2009 1:35:59 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: JimPrevor
The larger question, though, is whether a nation is any more than a geographic entity.

Indeed. And whether nationality is any more than a geographical statistic. Virtual village.

11 posted on 11/30/2009 1:36:34 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (whitey's over it.)
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To: JimPrevor

Now they are calling it racism? How can it be racism to ban the expansion of buildings which are used to indoctrinate in a world-expansionist ideology cleverly disguised as a religion?


13 posted on 11/30/2009 1:40:30 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: JimPrevor
Take the islands of what we now call “United Kingdom” and “Ireland.”

Pre-picts, Pict's, Celts (various tribes, multiple origins and migrations), Romans, Germans from the mainland (various tribes-Jutes, Saxons, Angles), Nordics (including the vikings from Scandinavia, and the French speaking Vikings from Normandy).

The culture which resulted from that was transplanted to North America, setting the basis for the “culture” and language of what became the United States of America.

But added were elements from France, Germany, Scandinavia, Belgium, Holland and other places.

At what point in our history would there be a parallel for outlawing Minarets, if you consider them as places of religion?

But if you consider them as places of political and military aggression, you can outlaw them.

14 posted on 11/30/2009 1:44:03 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: JimPrevor

Tit for Tat, make the ban on Mosque construction be conditional, Make it so the ban on new mosque construction will stay in effect until Saudi Arabia has removed it’s ban on construction Churches and Temples and end their persecution of Christians and Jews.

So it will stay in effect until the Saudi’s learn to play fair in their own country.


18 posted on 11/30/2009 2:14:30 PM PST by GraceG
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To: JimPrevor

The focus on the specific issue of the Swiss banning new minarets, and the allegations of racism that go along with the matter, is really a distraction from broader questions: What is a nation? Can a people legitimately seek to defend anything other than territory?

A country is defined by “Borders, Language and Culture”

Someone once told me this.


19 posted on 11/30/2009 2:15:34 PM PST by GraceG
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To: JimPrevor
Can a people legitimately seek to defend anything other than territory?

Sure. But the devil's in the details, in this case treaties between Switzerland and the EU. Pretty confusing, but on a quick read seem to give the EU the upper hand; cf guillotine clause.
20 posted on 11/30/2009 2:50:28 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: JimPrevor
Ah, to heck with those who are screaming racism. The Swiss people voted and that's what matters.

If the usurpers don't like it, they can go back to the piles of sand from whence they came.

24 posted on 11/30/2009 3:30:59 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: JimPrevor

to read later


26 posted on 12/01/2009 5:50:31 AM PST by Actually_in_Tokyo (ahead of the game)
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