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To: neverdem

Gerlich and Tscheuschner next show that even the simplest forms of the special equations needed for a true analysis of magneto-hydrodynamic (MHD) relationships involved in planetary atmospheric heating cannot be solved — even for small-space regions and small-time intervals — because of the inhomogenities of each fluid involved and relevant solid, liquid, and gaseous phases to be considered. The real world is just too complex.

However, they are able to show that MHD-type equations offer no terms corresponding to absorption of electromagnetic radiation, do not include equations for “radiative transfer,” and give no indication of the point where the concentration of carbon dioxide would even enter into the computations. Further, they go on to show that any mechanism whereby CO2 in the cooler upper atmosphere could exert any thermal enhancing or “forcing” effect on the warmer surface below violates both the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics.”

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Well clearly these two upstarts didn’t get the memo that the science is settled. And the rest of us are just ignorant deniers who are hopelessly lost so what would be the point of releasing the sacred data and models. That would only confuse the unenlightened.


10 posted on 11/28/2009 8:54:25 AM PST by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: bereanway
Well clearly these two upstarts didn’t get the memo that the science is settled. And the rest of us are just ignorant deniers who are hopelessly lost so what would be the point of releasing the sacred data and models. That would only confuse the unenlightened.

The science actually gets in the way of AGW theory speculation. The climatologist aren't really doing science, they are data fitting. When you disagree with them, it demonstrates that you don't understand the topic.

12 posted on 11/28/2009 9:13:28 AM PST by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: bereanway
Gerlich and Tscheuschner next show that even the simplest forms of the special equations needed for a true analysis of magneto-hydrodynamic (MHD) relationships involved in planetary atmospheric heating cannot be solved

Again these guys are sophistic swindlers. MHD equations are mostly irrelevant to problems in atmospheric heating. The important relations are radiation transfer equations, and if you are worried about the simultaneous hydrodynamic equations then the field is called radiation hydrodynamics. For atmospheres, because the radiation flow is at the speed of light, and the convective flow is at most tens of meters per second, the two problems are largely decoupled. The real problems are the uncertainties involved with the physics of clouds and how to model them.

33 posted on 12/06/2009 7:27:08 PM PST by AndyJackson
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