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To: Nextrush
John McCain was spouting the “climate change” mantra before he realized we don’t like it and that he needs to get re-elected next year.

You're 100% correct - and it shows that the conservative base can have an impact on the GOP. Same with Harriet Meyers and GWB. And with the GOP Congressional caucus this year.

So what's our influence and effect if we leave the GOP? If they no longer get our vote at all? Do you think the Democrats will listen to us any more than the GOP?

It's fine to want perfect ideological purity, but if you cannot get that, do you accept what you can get (the President Reagan approach) and keep fighting for the rest, or do you simply walk off the field and go home?

1,404 posted on 11/27/2009 11:33:50 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

There are powerful forces including left wingers and business interests that are into “climate change” as an issue.

They buy politicians with campaign contributions. The business “green” crowd buys RINO’s who will talk anti-climate change fraud, then get elected and vote “green” anyway.

Its a slow death of freedom with liberal Republicans or a faster one with Obama. That’s my gut feeling and conviction right now.

I watched the Canadian experience with the “Reform Party” splitting votes in the 1990’s.

The “Progressive Conservative Party” had rich money people supporting it, but not the mass of people at the grassroots.

They couldn’t elect a dozen people to the parliament, while the Reformers could elect 60. Of course the Liberals won nearly 200 seats and dominated for a decade.

Canada survived although a lot of freedom was lost.

Obama is scary, but no authentic opposition to him is even scarier.

Until Republicans repudiate “bipartisanship” and stop any cooperation with the Democrats on any issue including pork for their home districts, things are not going to change.

Scary emotional “wedge” issues like Karl Rove used to elect GWB won’t work with me anymore. So don’t use the fear of Obama to cause me to support phony Republicans.


1,750 posted on 11/28/2009 11:06:50 AM PST by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan)
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