Posted on 11/26/2009 9:55:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Lord Acton supported the Confederacy precisely because he loved the federalist form of government and states’ rights (perhaps too fulsomely, as his love for those goods which were lost in the War Between the States seems to have made him overlook the evil of slavery which was abolished with them).
The winners write history: states’ rights were the issue in the Late Unpleasantness, but to cover up the fact that the wrong side of that issue won, the winners have portrayed the war as having been about slavery.
buh bye, troll.
LMAO Its known in history as the American Civil War. I guess you believe Lincoln was a murdering tyrant too. Another Dixiecrat-Slavocrat libertarian, or would that be paleoconservative? Whatever. So who is your favortite Lincoln basher? My guess is, Thomas DiLorenzo.
No more “compassionate conservatism” either. It was an underhanded attack on conservatism. The left’s government people mills is the antitheses of compassion and always has been.
Agreed. The Bush family undid the grassroots conservatives’ work from Goldwater to Reagan.
I missed this yesterday - now I have to read the whole thread.
YES!!!
I have not mentioned Scalia ever that I can remember. And I am dissing the Hari Palins, not Palin herself. I think Palin is ok, it is her supporters that go around spamming every thread, banging drums and singing Hari Hari Palin.
I think Alan Keyes and Tancredo were jokes as presidential candidates as evidenced by their vote totals. Ditto for Chris Simcox in his current senate run.
LMAO !
Looks like ya had the best turkey recipe.
The GOP Establishment was able to bring the party together to opposed the Obama stimulus as a means of appeasing us and making us think they are all conservative.
Its happening now with the “healthcare” issue.
They hope to use the emotions we feel against it to make us think they are good because they oppose it.
On other issues, the Republicans play games.
Ten GOP Senators like Lamar Alexander voted on procedure to move a leftist judicial nominee to a final vote the other week.
Then there were 39 votes against the leftie in the final vote with Republicans looking like they opposed the Obama nominee while ten of them voted the other way in a procedural vote before the final one.
Heck, my own Republican congressman voted for some Jack Murtha defense pork (earmarks) so he could get some for his own district on the side.
The GOP insiders have a tradition of creating the “wedge” emotional issues to get our votes, then they go down and give us Medicare Part D and try to support amnesty for illegals.
Better than that. There are other threads that relate to this one. Don’t skip them. And make sure you click on every link you come across. If any images don’t show up, try opening them in a different window. You don’t want to miss a thing. Put the coffee on. ; )
How about the words of Reagan posted right here at FR:
"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.So would you vote for a 75% candidate in the general election, or sit on your hands and hold out for 100%? You want to go by what President Reagan said, then read his position about political compromise."Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.
"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.
Any response to these words of wisdom from President Reagan?
Thank you, BykrBayb! I’ve been ultra busy and computer’s been “funny” for a few days.
Any links you send me about these related threads you speak of will be greatly appreciated!
(This seems sort of like the bugzapper thread!!!)
I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving -
There can be no compromise with constitution trampling big government socialist abortion pushers. They are the enemy within.
If you wish to promote RINOs you’ll have to do it somewhere other than FR.
Your posts are excellent... People need to learn that conversion of liberals to conservatives is a process, much like evangelism. You convert people not by beating them over the head, or saying "put up or shut up" or "go away because you aren't 100% exactly as I demand", but by challenging them about their positions, bringing them about one at a time, and living with them.
If we want to shrink the GOP, we can. Of course, we'll end up with a 35% Democrat, 17% GOP, and 17% conservative party break-out, and that will guarantee a virtual lock for Democrats forever.
No, the GOP needs to be brought around to better reflect the conservative position, which means it must be won in the battle of ideas, internal to the GOP. And its message of conservatism needs to be open and freely expressed, not a "this way or the highway". I'll welcome anyone to come and discuss my positions or my faith, and I will welcome them to walk along with me, even if they do not fully believe as I do. Because the more time I can spend with them, the stronger my case becomes.
Ideological purists are the surest way to kill any hope for a non-Democrat rule.
You didn’t address the above to me, but since I just read it, I’d say this:
I’m sick of dealing with Republicans who at the most are trying to win maybe a 10% conservative agenda. If that. Really just Democrap Lite. Most of their message, votes and so on is like Democrat puke. The old saying that Dems want to take us to hell fast, and most Republicans will take us there slower, is really accurate.
Me, I want to go in the opposite direction altogether.
If you start by planning what you will do after you lose, you will lose.
Lofty platitudes just don't provide a solution.
The fear of Obama is not going to convince me to support anything with an R next to it.
“Republican solidarity” this year is about getting re-elected next year and has nothing to do with authentic conversion to a conservative position.
It really is about less government, lower taxes and more freedom.
They are non-negotiable at this point.
I still remember Rush Limbaugh debating a guy who then worked for George W Bush at the White House and now works for RNC.
Ed Gillespie was challenged about eliminating federal agencies like the Department of Education.
Ed Gillespie said “That’s not going to happen.”
Well, Republicans, it had better start happening for real because enough is enough.
The GOP in the House pushed a 3.1 trillion dollar budget plan this year as opposed to the Democrats 3.5 trillion dollar one.
The real “solidarity” of Republicans in Washington seems to be for big spending government as usual.
This reminds me of the Bugzapper Thread too. All the nastiest trolls were zotted on that thread. I stayed up all night watching one of them slowly roasting over JR’s flame. It was kind of like a pig roast.
I spent Thanksgiving with family, so it was good.
How was your Thanksgiving?
John McCain was spouting the “climate change” mantra before he realized we don’t like it and that he needs to get re-elected next year.
McCain spoke “Green” in many places including the Convervative Party conference in the UK.
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