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To: wardaddy
that platitude was referring to European peoples at the time it was used on our tender...much more similar demographic origins than today's problem. hardly the same now with major differentiations between immigrants now and less assimilation and more illegals and happening very very quickly

Horse pucky. My previous San Antonio doctor's grandfather, son of German immigrants, would not speak English on his own land. In town or on the farms/ranches of others, he would speak English, reportedly with a heavy German accent, but at home, he'd listen in English, but reply in German.

Are you saying that Asians, who we had a lot of at least on the West Coast and in the western US in general, are more culturally similar to the mixed European culture, than those from a mixed native and Spanish (mostly Spanish culturally) Christian culture?

That there are more illegals is a valid point, but being illegal is, in part, what forces them to remain isolated. I'm not for amnesty by any means, but I'm also not for the current rules on immigration, which were crafted for another time. I'd actually favor something like the WW-II era program, which allowed temporary, but legal, workers in. I would of course deny such temporary workers any federal or state government benefits. And no anchor babies. The kids may be 14th amendment parents, but that should not accrue any benefit to the parents. The parents should be sent home, as appropriate under the rules/laws then in existence, with the option of taking the kids or not. When the kids turn 18, they can decide which nation to be citizens and residents of.

As to the lack of appropriateness of the "platitude", it was not a statement on "diversity", but rather the forging of one people out of many varied peoples. Maryland was after all a Catholic state. Virginian were mostly of English ancestry, at least the upper crust, while there were lots of Germans in New York and Pennsylvania, well prior to the revolution. The latter also had lots of Amish and other "different" types.

And there was this "plague" of Scots-Irish, and (saints preserve us) real Irishmen, particularly in the aforementioned Maryland.

But the point is, you have to be somewhat interested in forming one people, with common interests, language and culture (political culture especially) not in Balkanizing in the name of "Diversity".

449 posted on 11/24/2009 9:47:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato; Clemenza; Travis McGee
I never said English speaking peoples only..I said Europeans predominately..go back and check....why the lecture on European diversity?

This nation was founded by Europeans who came here for various reasons and who were up until recently 85% of the population.

If you think assimilating them from relatively similar cultural backgrounds is the same as going from that to a non-hispanic white minority in just 40 years or so is the same thing then we can just disagree.

Asians have until recently been such a small percentage as to be insignificant. Latinos aside from some Cubans and South Americans were until a generation ago a tiny minority who were brought into the US after it's founding by land acquisition.

As for the remainder of your tangential arguments. I never said them so why respond. I said the nation was founded and overwhelmingly supplied by Europeans of relatively similar backgrounds till very recently. That is inarguable.

My premise is this: I will make it very clear:

We were not founded as a diverse nation in the late 1700s. We were primarily white folks of all economic strata from Western Europe and slaves.....slaves who at the time of the founding were not yet in the numbers they became after the cotton gin in 1800. And we held fairly steady with that up until the 1980s but with more Catholic Irish and eastern Europeans..a few more Asians and Latinos and a large bump of unfree blacks in the early 1800s which was offset by the aforementioned Irish and Eastern Europeans.

What we have now which has steamrolled since Ted Kennedy's immigration overtures in the mid 1960s destined to enhance Democrat voting rolls is an avalanche of non white immigrants some legal, many not who have completely turned the balance upside down.

That sort of “diversity” is unsustainable in my view but it does appeal to those gleeful to dismantle the white majority here no matter how fractured it is.

Last election for the first time in history a candidate getting 53-55% of the white vote lost.

Why?

because now with so many non whites diluting that it will take 57-59% of whites to win for a conservative if minorities who almost all vote Left come out in the numbers they did for Bro.

I know of nowhere in the world where the diversity we have imposed on ourself works very well. Not one place...everywhere around the globe places formerly fairly homogeneous that have been over immigrated are feeling the effect.

All cultures are not relative.

I really don't know why you went off on the diversity of Europeans trip....that was not my point. However diverse Europeans are they are far more similar to each other racially, ethnically and religiously than they are to Asians, Africans and New World Amerindian Hispanics and Pacific Islanders....and that matters when groups come together to govern one another, platitudes printed on legal tender or not

497 posted on 11/25/2009 6:47:12 AM PST by wardaddy (The movie Valkyrie was excellent...I was surprised. What a cast.)
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