I am also very tired, so I’m not going to get to reply to everything again.
Once more.
I’m not bashing the GOP as a whole. I just don’t feel that I should have to vote for someone just because he or she is a Republican if I don’t agree that he or she will be any better than a Democrat.
I see a difference between parties with ideology but not as people. They’re all politicians, so you can’t trust any of them. They’re all doing what they tell themselves is best, and they probably all truly believe it. Democrats do not as a whole see themselves as socialists, and that is precisely the problem with socialism. It’s insidious. That is why it’s so hard to fight. I would say there are Republicans with socialistic tendencies; how many of them tonight voted correctly now, but voted for the bailout a little over a year ago? Democrats are more inclined to it, but we’ve had our share.
Voting to debate something is not the same as voting for it. Several Democrats have spoken out against the bill as it stands. If they cut out a good chunk of it, I’d support it too; heck yeah I want better access to shop around insurance companies, and I might even like it if insurance companies had to take people with pre-existing conditions. Even if Americans don’t like this bill, many still want reform, and debate gives them a chance to hack bits off and add new things on and reconsider it with their own input in the process.
You’re also judging a lot of things on votes that haven’t happened yet. They may come to pass, but they haven’t yet, so how can you judge them on something they haven’t done yet?
Aw, come on lymelady, these "people" the Democrats are Marxists. They will do that and more, mark my words. Don't you hear these blank staring liberals preaching about how they have to save the planet from global warming ? And they are saying this lie about the global warming hoax and other media lies during the coldest year in a long time.
lymelady said:
"Democrats do not as a whole see themselves as socialists, and that is precisely the problem with socialism. It’s insidious. That is why it’s so hard to fight"
I said: Yes All democrats are socialists whether they see themselves as socialists or not.In fact you are a socialist and I'll prove it below:
lymelady said : " If they cut out a good chunk of it, I’d support it too; heck yeah I want better access to shop around insurance companies, and I might even like it if insurance companies had to take people with pre-existing conditions."
OMG.I cannot believe someone on a conservative forum said that. You are a Marxist. Anyone that believes that the government should be given power to tell private insurance companies who they have to give free services to, is a socialist/Marxist. Look, full Socialism is when the government owns and runs everything and there are no private business. But it is still socialism if you allow the government to run a private businesses also, or to run a part of the business that is so important that it can destroy it.
I'm not trying to call you names. I just call it as I see it. Your ideology and that of liberals , that you believe that it is good to empower government and allow government to run business , create government programs and agencies and to run programs is socialism and it is what is destroying our Republic.
That which you are talking about that government can force private insurance companies to accept dead beats with "pre-existing conditions" who chose not to buy insurance is in there to put private insurance companies out of business. This way no one will pay for insurance until they get sick .When they need a $40,000 heart bypass or other expensive operation these deadbeats will go into the insurance company's office and demand that the insurance company cover them and their operation. The private insurance company would then have to by law have to accept them. Once the insurance company pays for the operation then the dead beat will stop making monthly insurance payments. The result is that there will not be enough people paying insurance regularly to cover the costs the insurance pays out. So that way insurance companies cannot make a profit. As it is with all the government regulations insurance companies make only a 2% profit. Any additional regulations especially this one will definitely put them all out of business then everyone will have to go to the government for healthcare which is the democrats' goal. See?
The reason healthcare is expensive now is because democrats created oppressive government laws that allow frivolous law suits against doctors and hospitals, laws that force hospitals and emergency rooms to treat dead beats like illegals who don't pay for free, so the hospitals have to pass those costs on to us, also medicare and medicaid, laws that dictate what can be covered, laws that don't allow purchase over state lines, and a myriad of other government laws and regulations increase costs .
So it is the repealing of all of these government laws that would allow the free market to lower cost . The government should stay almost completely out of the free market. you see prices coming down, and innovation increasing most rapidly in electronics and computers etc because these industries are less regulated.