[plain talk]

The REAL cloture vote is to END debate, NOT to start debate. This vote is meaningless.

Just curious - do you think the vote will be any different to end debate? I don't. We're screwed. It's over.

[Son House]

It’s over.

^
Sure glad I made it to a ripe old middle age

[ncalburt]

this vote was hyped and spun by Reid and Obama and Obama state media because they knew they had this votes to start the debate .
They needed a PR victory since the bill is very unpopular and so is the Marxist in the WH and the Dems are having a real batch of bad news and Sarah Palin is sucking up all the attention/energy.

Now the real battle begins in the senate debates .It will be ugly and nasty and be dragged out .
The fight is still on folks .