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To: Natural Law

How is entropy applicable to a non-closed system?


Isn’t that the point? Our system is not closed. It is open to God’s influence and therefore life can be created?


7 posted on 11/20/2009 6:52:05 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly
"Isn’t that the point? Our system is not closed."

Aside from the obvious sources of external energy one must also quantify the affect of natural selection as in input and feedback path into the equation. Creationists present an incomplete equation and then attempt to use it as proof to refute science. God certainly created life and guided its ascent, but the process He used wasn't crossing His arms and nodding His head like Genie or wiggling His nose like Samantha Stevens.

11 posted on 11/20/2009 6:59:58 PM PST by Natural Law
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Creationsts (of my own stripe) sometimes make the mistake of saying the the 2nd law (”entropy law,” as it were)”disproves” evolution. This is not true, because an evolutionist can always make some sort of rescue dodge. For example, they might perhaps suggest that entropy has gone up and down in the past, cyclically. The problem is, evolutionary dogma is so plastic it cannot explain anything.
Yes, the earth is an open system; but simple raw, “unintelligent” energy will not assemble life, just as an energetic bull will not stack dishes by expending that energy willy-nilly in a china shop. Energy can bring order only if there is some sort of conversion device, and the conversion device itself would be very complicated.
It would be correct,however, to say that the 2nd Law does, at least, present tremendous problems for one who is defending the evolutionary position


16 posted on 11/20/2009 7:05:39 PM PST by Phantom4
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it applies equally to both systems, evo PURPOSELY OVERLOOK THAT, GEEZ, EVEN EVO TRUE SCIENTISTS ADMIT IT:

“...there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems,******... there is somehow associated with the field of far-from equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.” [Dr. John Ross, Harvard scientist (evolutionist), Chemical and Engineering News, vol. 58, July 7, 1980, p. 40]


40 posted on 11/20/2009 7:28:08 PM PST by raygunfan
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