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To: GodGunsGuts

As a mechanical engineer with extensive background in thermodynamics, I’ve been through these idiotic arguments before. Entropy is not a limiting condition in open systems with energy sources and heat sinks.

In fact, evolution is pro entropy creation, because the creation of local order comes at the overall enhanced disorder of the rest of the universe.


50 posted on 11/20/2009 7:42:03 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote
"In fact, evolution is pro entropy creation, because the creation of local order comes at the overall enhanced disorder of the rest of the universe.

Bingo, we have a winner!

59 posted on 11/20/2009 7:50:44 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: FastCoyote

“In fact, evolution is pro entropy creation, because the creation of local order comes at the overall enhanced disorder of the rest of the universe.”

What you said is silly...

How could it come from overall enhanced disorder of the rest of the universe, unless the rest of the universe had “order” to begin with - and where did this order come from? From a Creator?


61 posted on 11/20/2009 7:55:50 PM PST by babygene
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To: FastCoyote
In fact, evolution is pro entropy creation, because the creation of local order comes at the overall enhanced disorder of the rest of the universe.

I would say entropy creation is pro evolution, because evolutionary order is akin to the spontaneous formation of dissipative structures such as thunderheads and sunspots, which arise in conjunction with thermodynamically driven energy flows.

An example of order arising from a local reduction in entropy would be the formation of a snowflake, and this type of process does not provide an attractive model for the origin of life processes.

62 posted on 11/20/2009 7:56:53 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: FastCoyote

As a mechanical engineer with extensive background in thermodynamics, I’ve been through these idiotic arguments before.

I don't agree that the arguments, or at least the questions, are idiotic. Given that the flow of energy (F) is split between enthalpy (H) and the entropy component (TdS), hence the greater compensating entropy of the "system," where are the boundaries of the "system?"

In other words to make it a quantitative question how much free energy in a cosmological system is necessary before the negative entropic component results in life?

In fact you might reapply your mechanical engineering background to astrophyics or cosmology, for there are relevant questions there.

Of course such occupation probably wouldn't pay the bills.

72 posted on 11/20/2009 8:13:14 PM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: FastCoyote; GodGunsGuts
In fact, evolution is pro entropy creation, because the creation of local order comes at the overall enhanced disorder of the rest of the universe.

Then tell us the source of the work being done.

110 posted on 11/21/2009 7:46:20 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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