GOP Rep. Garrett: ‘I Agree’ That Obama Should Produce Birth Certificate

The Washington Independent ^ | November 18, 2009 | David Weigel

[Eye of Unk]

I think the imminent future leadership of America can if they should decide to make a grand global gesture of restoring faith in America by doing just that, to rebuild all the mistakes and deliberate sabotage that has occurred.

Not only re-taking back America but absolutely enforcing the laws to properly discern exactly what the eligibility is for a POTUS.

[danamco]

http://69.84.25.250/blogger/post/More-on-Obamas-citizenship-and-Stanley-Ann-attending-Washington-University-during-Obamas-alleged-birthdate.aspx

Here’s is an interesting angle that I have not seen before:

“Birdie Obama qualifies on these counts, because his record of birth father is Barack Hussein Obama sr. of Kenya and in Barack sr. marrying an underage minor (a minor who in most civilized nations would have been termed raped by an adult male as Ms. Dunham was under 18 years old when she had sex.), made Ms. Dunham a British subject under British law.

The only way to end British citizenship is a public renouncement which neither Mrs. Obama nor Barack jr. ever did.
Barack is British, period. “!!!

[danamco]

See post # 102!!!

[Seizethecarp]

You appear not to have read the whole thread, which refutes your #102.

See my #45, #65 and #75 and the stuff in between.

[danamco]

“Birdie Obama qualifies on these counts, because his record of birth father is Barack Hussein Obama sr. of Kenya and in Barack sr. marrying an underage minor (a minor who in most civilized nations would have been termed raped by an adult male as Ms. Dunham was under 18 years old when she had sex.), made Ms. Dunham a British subject under British law.

What I am saying is, if, and I emphasize IF Stanley Ann is/was a British subject, that changes the whole playing field, does it not???

[Seizethecarp]

“What I am saying is, if, and I emphasize IF Stanley Ann is/was a British subject, that changes the whole playing field, does it not???”

Well that would, but so would a lot of things that either aren't possible or are extremely unlikely, since under Kenya law and the BNA the Dunham-Obama marriage appears to be bigamous and would thus not “govern” BHO II.

I remember that D’Onofrio jumped the shark with a theory that Stanley Ann might be a British subject, but he retracted that theory after the divorce record mentioning the HI marriage was found and subsequent to this retraction, the HI vital index for the marriage was disclosed under FOIA:

See:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/

Obama’s Mother was a US Citizen At The Time of Obama’s Birth.

Posted in Uncategorized on August 27, 2009 by naturalborncitizen

Ed. Updated 6:27 PM 08.31.09 - A reader has provided a link to the Soetoro divorce application from 1980 wherein she stated she was a US citizen. This convinces me that she did not intend to give up her US citizenship and was therefore a US citizen at the time Obama was born. It does not tell us whether she had become a dual citizen before that time, but it satisfies me that she didn't intend to give up her US citizenship at anytime before Obama was born.

The prior to title to this post, “Was Obama’s Mother a US Citizen at the Time of Obama’s Birth?” has been altered to reflect what I believe is the truth and I have struck out those passages below which no longer reflect a genuine question of fact. The post was hypothetical in nature and sought to have the question answered. Thank you to reader “bho boo” for providing links to the Obama File page where the documents reside. ]

We know for a fact that Obama’s father was a UKC citizen and never became a US citizen and was never permanently domiciled in the US. As to Obama’s mother, everyone has always assumed she was a US citizen at the time of Obama Jr.’s birth.

[danamco]

Donofrio also wrote the following:

"We know that Obama’s mother traveled and worked in various nations throughout much of her adult life. Both of her marriages were to foreigners who never became US citizens.

By all evidence available, Stanley Ann Obama considered herself - as her son does now - to be a citizen of the world. I would imagine a UK passport would have validated her sense of being a citizen of the world. And isn’t it natural for a wife to become a citizen of the country of her husband?

It’s more logical to assume Stanley Ann Obama did avail herself of UKC citizenship rather than assuming she did not. This could mean that President Obama was born of two alien parents, not one.

Furthermore, the act of registering as a UKC citizen would have allowed her to obtain a British passport."

[Seizethecarp]

“By all evidence available, Stanley Ann Obama considered herself - as her son does now - to be a citizen of the world. I would imagine a UK passport would have validated her sense of being a citizen of the world.”

Stanley Ann was raised to believe in and enthused with world communism and BHO I was a Pan-African Communist. The UK was the Capitalist colonial oppressor of her husband's Kenya, which was still a colony.

If anything she considered herself a citizen of the third world, the non-white world, the non-UK and non-US world. Her marital choices and where she spent her life working demonstrate that.

To me it is illogical and there is no evidence that she ever sought a UK passport and there is no evidence that she ever used one. If her marriage was bigamous, which would likely have become evident during any UK passport effort in Kenya, she would have been ineligible under the BNA of 1948.

Whether Obama II is ineligible due to dual citizenship is only relevant to dual citizenship on the day of his birth, not what his mother might have applied for after his birth. On the day of his birth, if in the US, Stanley Ann would have somehow applied for and received approval of a Kenya based UK citizenship based on a non-bigamous marriage between the February marriage and the August birth in HI.

So far there isn't any evidence of this having occurred.

[danamco]

To use the words from another post: I think that..."You’re missing an important point: Zero’s mother whelped him when she was 18. The law stated at the time for someone to pass on “natural born” status to their overseas born child, the person (in this case ZERO’s mother) would have HAD to have HERSELF lived in the US FIVE YEARS after her 14th birthday. In other words, she’d have had to be 19."

You are assuming a lot of things, whether logical or illogical to you. Neither you or I know anything what is/was in a 16-17 year old horny deranged girl's mind when faced with a mulatto child.

On the day of his birth, if in the US, Stanley Ann would have somehow applied for and received approval of a Kenya based UK citizenship based on a non-bigamous marriage between the February marriage and the August birth in HI.

So far there isn't any evidence of this having occurred.

And there is no evidence that it has NOT occurred. Things in the sixties was total different than in 2009!!!

[Seizethecarp]

“You’re missing an important point: Zero’s mother whelped him when she was 18. The law stated at the time for someone to pass on “natural born” status to their overseas born child, the person (in this case ZERO’s mother) would have HAD to have HERSELF lived in the US FIVE YEARS after her 14th birthday. In other words, she’d have had to be 19.”

This quote that you provided from an unnamed poster is false. Current State Dept statements and law do not say that a US citizen mother can pass “natural born” status to their overseas born child. The statements say such a mother meeting the statutory criteria in effect at the time can pass only citizenship, but not natural born citizenship.

The statutory criteria in effect at the time cited only applies to legally married underage women, not to women in bigamous unlawful marriages, as the Dunham-Obama marriage may well have been in Kenya as claimed by Kezia. Even if underage, Stanley Ann could have passed citizenship or at a minimum "US nationality" to BHO II if she gave birth in Kenya as a legally single mom due to a bigamous marriage.

Common public understanding of the issue, framed by Obama supporters and the complicit media, is that to be a “natural born citizen” you simply have to be born in the US regardless of the domicile or nationality of either parent, but you must be born in the US (or a Navy base in Panama) as a minimum in this public perception.

From what I have seen, the Stanley Ann timeline that can be verified by contemporaneous documents shows a marriage vital record index in February 1961 in HI, a vital record of a birth in HI of unknown source or location, and then registration for college classes in WA that began in September. Danamco:

A foreign birth for Obama, regardless of his mothers’s age, doesn't meet the common public understanding of NBC, nor any likely SCOTUS ruling (except for maybe Ginsberg).

[cliniclinical]

It took us 70+ years to get into this mess... And a mess it is. So much so it has cast a great fog over the spirit of this Nation. Very few are left who truly understand the profound concept of Freedom and the life such a philosophy enables...

My specific comment was because I view this Nation as terrifically close to a significant “breaking point”, if you will. It will be at that time that the most energy is needed to gain the foothold that will enable a shift in direction from our current destructive path. No matter what happens, the journey back to a free society will take generations. It is naive to think otherwise.

Resistance is necessary to maintain pressure and fuel the fire, but I think saving energy and resources for the right moment to act will multiply the force of change. Patience, combined with the recognition that the current leadership, though dangerous, cannot sustain their course without a defining break from Freedom and the American way of life, will lead to a time that is right for decisive action. Once they play their hand and are exposed, then the time will be right. Many fence-sitters, when faced with the reality of the destruction of their way of life, will now join the fight and assist with the change.

[danamco]

Many fence-sitters, when faced with the reality of the destruction of their way of life, will now join the fight and assist with the change.

History is about to repeat itself. The fence-sitters were the problem in the 1930+ when an Austrian painter defrauded himself into Germany and was able to throw the whole world in turmoil. Patience many times leads to a catastrophe if lingered too long.