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At Fort Hood, Witness Credits Second Officer
NY Times ^ | 11/11/2009 | James C. McKinley, Jr.

Posted on 11/11/2009 9:27:52 PM PST by Saije

Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley has been applauded as a hero across the nation for shooting down Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan during the bloody rampage at Fort Hood last week. The account of heroism, given by the authorities, attracted the attention of newspapers, the networks and television talk shows.

But the story of how the petite police officer and the accused gunman went down in an exchange of gunfire does not agree with the account of an eyewitness who had gone to the base’s processing center, where the shooting occurred, to conduct business before being deployed.

The witness, who asked not to be identified, said Major Hasan wheeled on Sergeant Munley as she rounded the corner of a building and shot her, putting her on the ground. Then Major Hasan turned his back on her and started putting another magazine into his semiautomatic pistol.

It was at that moment that Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, a veteran police officer, rounded another corner of the building, found Major Hasan fumbling with his weapon and shot him.

How the authorities came to issue the original version of the story, which made Sergeant Munley a national hero for several days and obscured Sergeant Todd’s role, remains unclear. (Military officials also said for several hours after the shooting that Major Hasan had been killed, although he had survived.)

Six days after the deadly shooting rampage at a center where soldiers were preparing for deployment, the military has yet to put out a full account of what happened.

At a news conference outside the post on Wednesday, Lt. Col. John Rossi refused to take questions about who shot Major Hasan or why the initial reports said it had been Sergeant Munley rather than Sergeant Todd.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: forthood; hasan; jihadinamerica; marktodd; munley; nidalmalikhasan; todd
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If the initial reports didn't have the exact sequence correct, it's hardly some grand conspiracy and more the result of chaos and confusion. Just like the media's initial reports that Hasan was a dedicated physician who snapped under the burden of everyone else's PTSD and his own upcoming deployment. Grateful thanks to both Munley and Todd.
1 posted on 11/11/2009 9:27:52 PM PST by Saije
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its shoddy reporting. Its like with Hurricane Katrina, the media been running stories after stories of wide spread looting, raping and violence when its false


2 posted on 11/11/2009 9:32:24 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Saije

Well, if they really want the truth to come out they will make a statement after checking ballistics on the bullets taken from the terrorist and checking the weapons used by both security individuals to see how many shots were fired by each of them. Doesn’t take a Sherlock to figure this out.


3 posted on 11/11/2009 9:32:26 PM PST by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: Saije

Munley and Todd are heroes.


4 posted on 11/11/2009 9:32:42 PM PST by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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To: Saije
The night after the attack, ABC's Nightline had a recreation using computer-generated animation that virtually mirrors what is retold to the Times. I'm not sure what the "controversy" is. And, it's not AT ALL unusual for eyewitness testimony from multiple witnesses to contradict one another.

As in any crime scene, modern day forensics will eventually paint the the most truthful picture of what happened. What is not in question, is that a murdering Islamo-Fascist bastard killed 14 and wounded close to 30, including Officer Munley.

5 posted on 11/11/2009 9:34:26 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Saije

Fine by me if there’s more heroes than originally thought. As long as the media is going to dig deep to challenge the government’s initial statements, maybe they can revisit the claim that the shooting was not a terrorist attack.


6 posted on 11/11/2009 9:35:40 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Why buy health insurance at all if you can't be turned down for any pre-existing conditions?)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Shades of PFC. Jessica Lynch...


7 posted on 11/11/2009 9:36:53 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Saije

We don’t fully know what happened here, but the nyt and an unnamed source are not credible in my book. More likely the nyt found out this Texas woman was a conservative Texan and just wants to discredit her.


8 posted on 11/11/2009 9:37:04 PM PST by JoSixChip (Time to start organizing, that's if we are ever going to.)
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To: Ptarmigan

Yes, exactly. Give credit where it is due. They downed this slime ball.

Now lets get on with the investigation and determine exactly who influenced him, and if there were others who gave support to him.

Have the trial, sentence him, and carry out the sentence.

The word “alleged” really bothers me. It is 100% certainty that he is the Perp.


9 posted on 11/11/2009 9:37:11 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: Saije

Wow!

The NYT deconstructs a story of American heroism?

I am shocked.

Actually, I think the entire NYT is a lie.


10 posted on 11/11/2009 9:37:19 PM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: 4rcane
"Its like with Hurricane Katrina, the media been running stories after stories of wide spread looting, raping and violence when its false"

I'm not sure about the raping and the violence, but the wide spread (at least within NO proper) looting was unequivocally accurate. If anything, the media, bowing to political correctness, buried that aspect of the story in order to expend more effort to make Bush look like mother-nature.

11 posted on 11/11/2009 9:37:31 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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it's not AT ALL unusual for eyewitness testimony from multiple witnesses to contradict one another.

Like when Obama gives a crappy speech and the NYT declares that it was one of the greatest speeches in the history of the world?
12 posted on 11/11/2009 9:38:18 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Why buy health insurance at all if you can't be turned down for any pre-existing conditions?)
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Like when Obama gives a crappy speech and the NYT declares that it was one of the greatest speeches in the history of the world?

Obama could stand up in front of the entire nation and break wind and the MSm would swoon and claim it was inspirational...

13 posted on 11/11/2009 9:40:06 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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"It was later learned she had been badly hurt in a vehicle accident during an ambush and was being well cared for by the Iraqis."

Yeah, after being gang raped by iraqi fedayeen.

The msm was conflicted, a woman hero as originally portrayed or a black man who ended the fight. Two oppressed minorities, what to do, what to do.

Both Sgt. Todd and Sgt. Munley were courageous and ran to the fight. They both deserve our thanks and recognition as Americans and officers.

14 posted on 11/11/2009 9:40:16 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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"Like when Obama gives a crappy speech and the NYT declares that it was one of the greatest speeches in the history of the world?"

Not exactly. Eyewitness can honestly have differing - sometimes wildly differing - memories of the same event. There's another word for what the NYT's does with Barry's speeches - propaganda.

15 posted on 11/11/2009 9:40:50 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Saije

Puffing up Munley and ignoring Todd is exactly the kind of PC crap that is standard fare for rat organs like the NY Times. And this author, writing in the NY Times, can’t figure it out? What a moron.


16 posted on 11/11/2009 9:40:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Saije

Both the officers responded just as they should and it does not matter which one of them actually shot the guy.

The officer that happens to be a cute little blonde gal makes for a better story.

If I have learned anything in law enforcement it is this... the media almost never gets the story right. I wish more people on here understood that simple fact. This is especially true when the breaking news flag breaks out on cable news. The story is often defined way before the facts are settled. We can all cite examples of this.

God bless both of these officers and all who serve to protect others. It takes guts to run towards gunfire.


17 posted on 11/11/2009 9:41:44 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: Saije

Anyone who runs towards a dangerous person with intent to protect others is a hero.


18 posted on 11/11/2009 9:43:38 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
At a news conference outside the post on Wednesday, Lt. Col. John Rossi refused to take questions about who shot Major Hasan or why the initial reports said it had been Sergeant Munley rather than Sergeant Todd.

Shades of PFC. Jessica Lynch...

Precisely.

19 posted on 11/11/2009 9:44:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ptarmigan
Munley and Todd are heroes.

And partners. According to Todd, they went in together, he went around one way, she another. Other witnesses say Hasan was preparing to shoot someone else, so Munley shot at him, maybe she missed, maybe not, those witnesses have her shooting after she was hit, but before she went down.

These sort of conflicting accounts are very common, and the details of the truth remain to be determined by the investigation.

But the big picture truth is, both Todd and Munley went after the bad guy, and as a team, they got him.

20 posted on 11/11/2009 9:45:17 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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