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To: cmj328

Oh, good grief. Whether Stupak’s amendment gets a vote and whether it passes is irrelevant to whether abortion ends up in the final bill if it passes. It will be in the final bill, period. It’s all smoke and mirrors. The pubs should vote yes or no depending on how much more support is garnered from the rats if it passes versus how much support will be lost from the rats if it passes. That’s all that matters. The idea is to prevent the entire bill from passing because, even if the amendment passed, it wouldn’t stay passed. The rats will have abortion back in there the next time the bill goes in for spindling and mutilating. In other words, if the bill ultimately passes, it will cover abortion, end of story.

There’s a time for principles and there’s a time when strategy is the bigger picture that serves the principle better than momentary, overt support of the principle. This is a numbers game. I would not want a congressman to vote yes on the amendment if it made it more likely that the bill will pass because I know that the final bill that zero signs will include abortion. Thus, I’d rather there be no bill, so any amendment vote that lowers support for passage of the bill is beneficial to pro-lifers.


79 posted on 11/07/2009 6:36:02 PM PST by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: bustinchops

So when Republicans vote for abortion, that’s okay because the Democrats have a bad reputation. And pro-lifers should just roll over and play party lapdog for the Republican.


84 posted on 11/07/2009 6:39:25 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: bustinchops
There’s a time for principles and there’s a time when strategy is the bigger picture that serves the principle better than momentary, overt support of the principle. This is a numbers game. I would not want a congressman to vote yes on the amendment if it made it more likely that the bill will pass because I know that the final bill that zero signs will include abortion. Thus, I’d rather there be no bill, so any amendment vote that lowers support for passage of the bill is beneficial to pro-lifers.

Beautifully said. We are playing hardball here. Our desire is to kill the whole friggin bill.

92 posted on 11/07/2009 6:49:20 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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