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To: little jeremiah
PS - I never said all Muslims should be killed. Ever, nor do think that. But they should all be ejected from the military, no more should enter the country, and the ones here should be vetted verrrrry carefully and if they are here getting a dime of welfare, or have the slightest taint of jihad bent, ditto sent back to whence they came.

Some people here do seem to be advocating genocide or something very much like it. I think that's a problem. I don't think Muslims should be ejected from the military but I do think it's reasonable to scrutinize their religious beliefs for compatibility with their duties. In the case of this murderer, clearly he was giving off warning signs that should not have been ignored. If you want to complain that political correctness and fear of being called intolerant caused the military to ignore warning signs that shouldn't have been ignored, I would agree with that.

With respect to immigrants, I think that we need a cultural filter more than a religious filter. I think that this approach being used by the Dutch is a good one, even if the details would be different for this country. Make sure the people who want to come here want to be Americans. If we do that, I think religion is largely irrelevant. I don't think any immigrants should be getting welfare. In that regard, I think the Japanese do the right thing. When you get a visa in Japan, someone has to vouch for you and they are responsible for paying to get you out of the country when your visa expires if you can't afford to leave on your own. This hits at the real problems which are an incompatibility with or hostility toward American culture and the American system without having to delve into religion.

And every mosque should have a minder who speaks Arabic attend all functions to see what’s really going on.

In principle, I think some religions should be classified as cults, particularly if they threaten those who leave. As such, Muslim sects that threaten apostates with death would qualify. This is the sort of distinction I was looking for earlier. But if a Muslim sect freely lets people leave, then I don't have a problem with them. Yes, that may make them "bad Muslims", particularly in the eyes of Muslim Fundamentalists, but that's irrelevant. What matters is if they are coercing and/or brainwashing people.

How’s that for open mindedness?

Better than some on this thread, but I think you should direct your suspicion toward culture rather than religion.

Oh, and all jihad training camps shut down and their organizers and attendees deported.

I agree with this, so long as it's done Constitutionally, which I think it probably could be.

284 posted on 11/05/2009 11:03:39 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

1. Islam is more than a religion, it is a culture, and a vicious, barbaric culture.

2. The Dutch are being harmed by their huge Muslim population. You ever heard of Theo Whatsisname who got murdered by a Muslim? Or the plotician whose name I can’t remember who got killed by a Muslim? Both for their not positive views of the culture of Islam? Or Geert Wilder? Huge numbers of Muslims practicing Islamic culture haven’t done them any good, any more than it has for France.

3. All Muslims should be ejected from the military. For reasons too numerous to go into, but the evidence of today’s terrorist attack will more than suffice.


286 posted on 11/05/2009 11:32:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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