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NY-23: All of a Sudden, Pessimism at Hoffman HQ
Washington Independent ^ | 11/3/2009 1030 PM | David Weigel

Posted on 11/03/2009 7:54:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Bobkk47
>>>Maybe he knows something.<<<

That may be the understatement of all time when refering to Karl Rove!

101 posted on 11/03/2009 9:11:46 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Please see my definition of extreme anything in a post above.


102 posted on 11/03/2009 9:15:09 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Third party has never won in US, but some people are born masochists)
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To: PhiKapMom

Exactly. I recoil when I hear nonsense like, “This is a shot across the Republicans bow.” Get real, 3rd parties get Democrats elected. I’ll give the Dems credit, for the most part they’re smart enough to hang together and laugh all the way to office. Rarely do you see a liberal 3rd party actually make a dent in their numbers come election day. Yet, it seems to happen to Republicans with alarming frequency If I were a Democrat, I’d send 3rd party candidates candy and flowers for all their help.

The question that remains is: Why are so many otherwise bright conservative leaning people so naive when it comes to how these play out? Even if Hoffman would have won, or does win rather, it’s a pyrrhic victory for conservatives. An impotent gesture that does more harm than good.


103 posted on 11/03/2009 9:17:22 PM PST by Melas
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To: ajay_kumar
"Extreme on anything means not amenable to ANY compromise.

"For example no abortion allowed even in case of rape by a criminal carrying AIDS virus."

But that isn't Palin's position. Are you letting Charlie Gibson do your thinking for you?

104 posted on 11/03/2009 9:18:08 PM PST by cookcounty (Obama: ---Despiser of the Honduran Constitution and contemptuous of ours.)
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To: ajay_kumar

I saw it, so any politician that is 100% pro-life is an “extreme conservative” to you. What other litmus tests does a conservative have to “fail” for you to slander him/her with the liberal leftist tag of “extreme conservative”?


105 posted on 11/03/2009 9:18:16 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: ajay_kumar
I'm sure Mitt Romney is smiling tonight. He campaigned for Christie and McDonnell, but stayed out of NY-23 (although didn't endorse Dede).

I don't think it was a mistake to get behind Hoffman but I do think Palin and others were unwise to so quickly praise Scozzafava for getting out of the race, when right after they did so, she endorsed Owens. Now maybe if Scozzafava stayed in the race Owens would have won anyway, but looking at the results it sure seems she was the spoiler and no doubt some of her support went to Owens when she endorsed him.

106 posted on 11/03/2009 9:28:23 PM PST by ejdrapes (You can't lead a movement from Facebook)
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To: Melas

It would be easy to keep Conservatives in the camp if RINO’s would simply be genuine fiscal hawks and cut out the give-aways. But since a RINO is better than 3/4’s Dem’ and hasn’t meant taxing and spending that they didn’t like, either, it’s no wonder the votes get split. Whether you put in a real Dem or a fake one from another party, the Dem agenda wins and Conservatives know it. NO REASON to vote for either.


107 posted on 11/03/2009 9:39:32 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Melas

I have never figured it out either. I still haven’t figured out the people blaming RNC when it was the NY CD-23 County Chairs and the NY State GOP Chair that had the say to declare her the nominee.

Thought all along sending that much money into a State for a special election was not smart. Save it for 2010 and stop wasting money on special elections. I find it laughable that Hoffman endorsed her originally before he unendorsed her which probably didn’t play well. It was not like it was OK which is solid conservative — it was NY.

That’s what happened to Coleman in MN that gave us Franken — 3rd party candidate. You are so right they usually affect us not the Dem. Look at NJ where the Dems actually ran robocalls for the 3rd party candidate who ‘claimed’ to be the conservative in the race. In that race, he didn’t get much traction so Christie won.


108 posted on 11/03/2009 9:41:52 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: cookcounty

It may surprise you but I am a backer of Sarah Palin,
if she wins the nomination. However I just cringe at the thought of how she will be mercilessly caricatured by SNL star Tina Fey. I am convinced that the parodies by Tina fey was a majorfactor in defeat of McCain-Palin ticket. Never forget SNL is watched by more people than most shows on TV.

All I can observe is that any candidate for president who
has a no compromise position on abortion will never win.
I am pro-life but willing to concede allowing early abortion
in case of rape.


109 posted on 11/03/2009 10:19:17 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Third party has never won in US, but some people are born masochists)
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To: varina davis

Of course I was also pulling for Hoffman. But it was a blunder to nominate him. He reminded me of that character from Monty Python. I am 100% sure in real life Hoffman is a very fine person.


110 posted on 11/03/2009 10:21:25 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Third party has never won in US, but some people are born masochists)
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To: ajay_kumar
no abortion allowed even in case of rape by a criminal carrying AIDS virus.

Please provide link to SP signing this into law?? I never heard of her pushing for this as a VP candidate, Gov, or Mayor? Thanks!
111 posted on 11/03/2009 10:25:00 PM PST by roses of sharon (Call the NFL and welcome their new Commissioner, Al Sharpton.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Examples of “extreme conservative”:

>> No abortion, not even an early one, after the rapist has been found to be HIV positive

>> Execute every person convicted of murder.

>> No financial assistance to any indigent person

>> Attack a foreign country without conclusive proof of possessing WMD’s which are sure to be used against us.


112 posted on 11/03/2009 10:28:24 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Third party has never won in US, but some people are born masochists)
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To: roses of sharon

Where did you see me write that Sarah Palin has that position on abortion?

My example of banning early abortion even in case of a rape by a person with AIDS was only an example of what I consider extreme conservative, in response to a poster.

I have absolutely, and positively nothing against Governor Palin. I just don’t think she can win. Unless Tina Fey commits suicide before 2012.


113 posted on 11/03/2009 10:33:19 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Third party has never won in US, but some people are born masochists)
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To: ajay_kumar

So kill the child, um, OK.

Oh yeah, we’re killing murderers by the bushel full, it takes YEARS to execute someone.

Who has said “No financial assistance to any indigent person”?????

The war wasn’t JUST ABOUT WMD’s, that was what he was told and THEY DID HAVE THEM, look it up.

You seem to be a master of left wing talking points.

Keep patting yourself on the back on how reasonable you are, you make some really horrible arguments there.


114 posted on 11/03/2009 10:34:36 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Nope....what I despise most is socialists. Because I have seen at first hand what that does to the standard of living of people. There are examples galore on that.

I am a fiscal conservative in the sense I prefer smallest government size we can get away with. Mainly for defense and keeping law and order and prevent harmful activities by corporations such as dumping poisonous chemicals in rivers and lakes.

I am pro-life within reason. If a young woman gets raped and the rapist is convicted she should have the choice of abortion, preferably as early as possible. Because late term abortion is murder one.

I am for swift execution of any one convicted of brutal murders but not for murders committed in self defense such as by a wife killing an abusive husband or a husband killing his wife’s lover when caught by surprise etc.

I am against starting undeclared wars.

Yes I pat myself on the back everyday! :-)


115 posted on 11/04/2009 12:01:42 AM PST by ajay_kumar (Third party has never won in US, but some people are born masochists)
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To: All

I understand Hoffman was claiming their could be fraud in the election.


116 posted on 11/04/2009 6:22:28 AM PST by Mozilla
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