Posted on 11/01/2009 1:59:46 PM PST by Chet 99
Update | 3:46 p.m. Three months ago, the CIT Group barely averted what it considered to be a ruinous bankruptcy filing that would likely have put the 101-year-old lender out of business.
On Sunday afternoon, the company filed for Chapter 11 — but under a so-called prepackaged bankruptcy plan that will enable it to emerge from court protection by the end of the year, under the control of its debtholders. (Read the filing after the jump.)
The filing, made in a Manhattan federal court, will still mean much pain for many parties, beginning with taxpayers. CIT received $2.3 billion in government aid last year, a bailout that came in the form of preferred stock. That will almost certainly be wiped out in the bankruptcy process, the first realized loss in the government’s rescue of the financial system.
(Excerpt) Read more at dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com ...
“Who cares. It is the perfect time to create a panic in Citibank shares too.”
No reason to create a panic, they have filed bankruptcy papers over the last few days and they are reportedly making that bankruptcy official Monday.
So, C is not an investment worthy stock, it is a pure speculation play for traders going in and getting out.
CIT is a commercial lender that specialized in commercial real estate. They have been under the radar for a long time because they are not a glamour bank like CITI or Chase. BUT they carry a LOT of of mortgages taken out by small businesses. Expect a big drop in the market over this. This is much bigger than the home mortgage ponzi scheme. Hang on guys, it’s fixin to get worse.
Thanks dimrats and your ***** media for bringing us this.
BOHICA.
‘Was’ being the key word there :o(
You should tone down unsupported characterizations. They only invite a question as to whether the one speaking lacks sanity.
Suppose you have capital of $100 and need not borrow at all (that's equivalent to your 0% point. You have a customer that defaults with probability 1/4 (three to one odds that you'll get your money back). Instead of lending, you can buy a safe bond that yields 5%. At what rate of interest should you make a loan to break even?
Answer: 40%. If the borrower does not default, you get back $40. If he does default, you lose $100. You expect therefore
$40 (3) - 100 (1)
-------------------- = 5, the amount you'd get from the bond.
4
(the numbers in parantheses are odd, 3:1). If the government were to limit loan in this example to 30%, say, risky borrowers would never get any loans at all: you'd be buying bonds instead of lending to them.
The moral of the story is that the high interest is fully explained by the riskiness of the customers.
The profit derived from 30% loans to risky customers is low --- similar to what you'd get elsewhere.
As I said many times before, people like you have no clue of the facts and yet rave against the banks --- just what the NYTimes commies want you to do.
How hard is it to make a simple computation above?
Now, who is insane here?
"The consumer will never recover with crap like that going on."
Perhaps you should first understand that which you call c--p. Ask questions if you don't.
Is this the same as “C” on the NY Stock Exchange, or one of their “sister” companies
Citigroup (C) and CIT Group (CIT) are COMPLETELY unrelated. However, they are both insolvent.
I want a list of the salaries and bonus payouts. Time for clawback!
Thanks. I bought C at $1.40 which is why I ask. I didn’t think the gov’t would let them fail. I’ve been wondering if I should cash out or play it out to see if 10 years from now it’s back in the $50 or $60 range
Really - who goes bankrupt next ?
DJIA INDEX 9,702.00 +38.00
S&P 500 1,037.30 +4.30
NASDAQ 100 1,668.25 +2.75
At least CIT can escape the clutches of Obama now.
In BK contacts can be voided.
“The moral of the story is that the high interest is fully explained by the riskiness of the customers.”
LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about.
C has been raising rates on people, “due to current economic conditions”. Not risky credit customers.
Due a youtube search and a google search to see what’s going on.
The calculations you present are only relevant for poorly managed financial companies. They assume that the CC companies can’t pick deselect risky credit card users. They can do this. But they haven’t, so now they are punishing good customers by raising rates to ridiculous rates...not 7,9, 11,,,,not even 14 but 27%.
Again poorly managed companies. The same one’s that were bailed out. They can raise it to 45% for all I care, my modest balance now gets 3.9 on a preferred card.
C is going bankrupt and poor business is the reason. Attempting to make your quality customer pay 27% because they lend to any shmo is not my problem. But it’s still poor business.
Happy Bankruptcy to them at C.
Watch for a huge spike in small business bankruptcy.
Yeah - CIT is the largest issuer of short-term commercial paper, which small businesses need to tide them over between the time they invoice and the time they get paid ...
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