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To: LomanBill
WRT the expression of religious freedom, does that include Islam? The problem with that is that it crosses the bounds of the individual with its legal mandates. Jefferson knew it.

Gandhi, OTOH... made salt.

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Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest – Mahatma Gandhi,

43 posted on 10/27/2009 8:16:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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A wise warrior uses the strengths of its enemy against it; and ours are.
 
Thus it is that the focus of the 2nd amendment's purpose has been obscured and misdirected.  The 2nd has become an obsessive end rather than a means to an end;  the proper end of the 2nd being securing of the 1st amendment. 
 
The 2nd amendment is a failsafe,  intended to be utilized only when free discourse is completely exhausted - or prohibited via tyranny.
 
Homer Simpson's  lack of will or lack of ability to discourse does not equal tyrannical prohibition - yet.    There is no mandate to consume Bread and Circuses.  None is needed when Homer does it so willingly.   Homer having unwittingly become a slave to the tyranny of his own, manufactured, appetites.
"COMMERCE BETWEEN THE MASTER AND SLAVE IS DESPOTISM"
--Thomas Jefferson
 
But what about that "2nd amendment obsession"?  
 
Well, observe that Timothy McVeigh and his Michigan Militia band of loony toons did nothing but prop up the facade of justification for further weakening our rights.
 
Come listen in outside the Federal Farm House:
"Hah! See comrades, they're too stupid to really govern themselves after all, just as we planned!  We'll just continue to build the wall around the farm-house/temple a little higher...  and make them glad we let them carry the bricks!  {laughter}
 
Now, let's have some more milk and apples..."
 
Gandhi was able to free India even without a 2nd amendment.  How?  By making salt.
 
Unlike some, he wasn't interested in scurrying off into the hills and becoming a tribal war-lord, and in so doing further prop up justification for the police-state {with its predicatable response}.

46 posted on 10/27/2009 9:03:26 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Carry_Okie

>>WRT the expression of religious freedom, does that include Islam?

Jefferson’s religious freedom was INDIVIDUAL religious freedom, a relationship manifested between the Individual, their Creator, and others freely choosing to so relate.

And that clearly excludes Islam and any other theocratic entity that would impose its will upon the individual - via “TEMPORAL PUNISHMENTS OR BURTHENS”.


73 posted on 10/27/2009 8:46:51 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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