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Lindsey Graham: I Won’t Let Ron Paul Hijack the GOP [YouTube Funs!]
American Conservative Magazine ^ | October 13th, 2009 | Jack Hunter

Posted on 10/13/2009 7:44:45 PM PDT by Palin Republic

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To: Reagan Man

“No one knows what the future holds. Talking about the end of America has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with defeatism.”

It’s not defeatism to counter the idea that we will last forever at our current power. Assuming that is the quickest way to end us.

“The libertarian philosophy of Ronpaul calls for serious cuts in America’s national defense budget. The nuclear arsenal of weapons is part of America’s national defense budget.”

He’s against foreign aid and defending countries that can defend themselves. Where has he said he wants to cut our nuclear arsenal? He DOES want to defend our borders, something the RINOs we both detest refuse to do.

“So, when was the last time Ronpaul voted for a Defense Appropriations bill?”

Lots of R’s are voting against the 2010 bill for very good reasons. Quite a few of those defense bills were not actually about OUR defense and many have repugnant riders attached... like the 2010 bill.


141 posted on 10/14/2009 3:31:48 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
The reality is, America is alive and kicking. No thanks to Ronpaul. The fact libertarians don't want America to be a major player in world affairs is akin to a defeatist mindset. The same mindset that is found in liberal Democrats.

Direct foreign aid is a drop in the bucket. The only people I know who object to foreign aid of any kind are liberals and libertarians. I guess if we lived in a perfect world without violence and aggression there would be no need for foreign aid. Well, we don't live in a perfect world built on idealism. The US taxpayer gets a big bang for its buck and a positive return on its money when we properly fund a strong military and national defense capability. Freedom is not free. Same goes for foreign aid. OTOH, welfare state spending is unconstitutional and the real enemy to our Republic. Keeping America free is job #1 for our elected officials. Same today as it was in the Founding Fathers time.

I ask you again. When was the last time Ronpaul voted for a Defense Appropriations bill? You know, the actual budget expenditure that funds America's nuclear weapons arsenal.

142 posted on 10/14/2009 4:30:46 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“The reality is, America is alive and kicking. No thanks to Ronpaul. “

No thanks to the Democrats or the Republicans.

“Direct foreign aid is a drop in the bucket.”

Even 1 unconstitutional dollar is too much. I’m tired of being taxed to pay for other countries while our own damn border is ignored by the so-called “pro-defense” Republicans.

“I ask you again. When was the last time Ronpaul voted for a Defense Appropriations bill? You know, the actual budget expenditure that funds America’s nuclear weapons arsenal.”

Why don’t you tell me? You do know there’s more than actual defense spending in those bills.


143 posted on 10/14/2009 4:38:24 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

So, you don’t think Lincoln, Coolidge, Eisenhower or Reagan contributed to America’s greatness and our being the positive force its been throughout history. Gotcha!

Guess you agree with Ronpaul, Reagan’s Presidency was a “failure”. LOL

And obviously you can’t tell me the last time Ronpaul voted in favor of a Defense Appropriations bill. No wonder. Ronpaul is a pacifist and admires Gandhi and MKLjr.


144 posted on 10/14/2009 5:04:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“So, you don’t think Lincoln, Coolidge, Eisenhower or Reagan contributed to America’s greatness and our being the positive force its been throughout history. Gotcha!”

Lincoln pretty much destroyed the Republic, but clearly the Republicans I referred to were the Grahams, McCains, Snowe, Collins, and the Bush clan.

“And obviously you can’t tell me the last time Ronpaul voted in favor of a Defense Appropriations bill. No wonder. Ronpaul is a pacifist and admires Gandhi and MKLjr.”

You can’t tell me when he voted to reduce our nuclear arsenal. Ghandi won, didn’t he? He used the perfect weapon against the British. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that Paul is a pacifist. You just believe everything the Rudys of the party tell you, I guess.


145 posted on 10/14/2009 5:15:38 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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>>>>>>Lincoln pretty much destroyed the Republic..

You can't be taken seriously after a dumb remark like that. You're an anti-Lincoln wacko!

146 posted on 10/14/2009 5:27:24 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“You can’t be taken seriously after a dumb remark like that. You’re an anti-Lincoln wacko!”

Lincoln destroyed the Republic to save the Union. You can’t have a voluntary republic held together with force. An honest appraisal of Lincoln would recognize that. A public-school-based appraisal would lionize him as you apparently do.


147 posted on 10/14/2009 6:16:50 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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Its Thomas DiLorenzo!

You're certified nuts! LOL

148 posted on 10/14/2009 6:33:27 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“Its Thomas DiLorenzo!

You’re certified nuts! LOL”

No rational argument. Only insults. Typical. Yankee, perchance?


149 posted on 10/14/2009 6:38:10 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

You offered an irrational, dumbass remark more in keeping with fringe lunatics like DiLorenzo.

Typical. Southern confederate, perchance?


150 posted on 10/14/2009 6:47:35 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“You offered an irrational, dumbass remark more in keeping with fringe lunatics like DiLorenzo.”

It’s not irrational at all. What’s irrational is ignoring the change that occurred in the 1860s. That was the beginning of massive federal expansion. That was the end of the old Republic. That was the point when the states no longer were sovereign.

“Typical. Southern confederate, perchance?”

Student of history. You were brought up on Lincoln worship, weren’t you?

The whole “government of the people, by the people, and if they vote to leave, we’ll KILL the people” thing.


151 posted on 10/14/2009 6:53:10 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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You're a secessionist too. Not surprised.

>>>>>Student of history.

Student of revisionist history.

152 posted on 10/14/2009 7:02:59 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: editor-surveyor

Funny how people are willing to listen only when they get hit in the checkbook.

They’re starting to catch on. Maybe the next collapse will wake them up and increase the demand for a limited government.


153 posted on 10/14/2009 7:10:23 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: Reagan Man

“Student of revisionist history.”

Actually, that’d be you. Keep on licking the boot.


154 posted on 10/14/2009 7:15:37 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
You're a Murry Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Thomas DiLorenzo, Ronpaul libertarian extremist wacko.

Rothbard and Paul like to trash Reagan, while and Rockwell and your pal, DiLoenzo, like to trash Lincoln.

POS anarchists!

155 posted on 10/14/2009 7:28:17 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“POS anarchists!”

I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Sons of Liberty.


156 posted on 10/15/2009 5:35:45 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
Ronald Reagan and Abe Lincoln trump libertarian nutbars like Murry Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Thomas DiLorenzo and Ronpaul, 24-7-365!

Sons of Liberty? Bull. SOB`s!

157 posted on 10/15/2009 7:22:46 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“Sons of Liberty? Bull. SOB`s!”

So, you would’ve stayed loyal to King George. Good to know.

May your chain’s rest lightly, and all that.


158 posted on 10/15/2009 5:12:18 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

You’re dopey!


159 posted on 10/15/2009 6:18:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“You’re dopey!”

You are apparently a Tory.


160 posted on 10/15/2009 6:23:04 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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