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To: Behemoth the Cat

You are still free to exercise your religion, just not on my dime. And are we talking about exercising religion or education? I’m no fan of the leftist indoctrination of public school kids. For me the first concern is getting back to teaching the children the Constitution and the difference between being a subject and a citizen.


51 posted on 10/13/2009 12:26:02 PM PDT by TooFarGone (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: TooFarGone

Tuition tax credits do not make it “indoctrinating on your dime”. It just means that people pulling out their kids from the system of public indoctrination get their money back. To make it completely fair, such tax credits should apply to property taxes, if someone opts out of the public system.


52 posted on 10/13/2009 12:34:59 PM PDT by Behemoth the Cat
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To: TooFarGone; Behemoth the Cat
You are still free to exercise your religion, just not on my dime.
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Why are you free to have your non-neutral religious worldview established by the government and paid for by taxpayers?

Since it is IMPOSSIBLE to have religiously neutral school, there is only ONE possible solution:

We must begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. We must have complete separation of SCHOOL and state.

55 posted on 10/13/2009 12:56:16 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: TooFarGone

“You are still free to exercise your religion, just not on my dime”.

And how come that doesn’t work for you? How come we have to support your religion on our dime?

And how is exercising my religion any of your business?

Who appointed you to be the judge of what is and isn’t done in plublic, or with public money in the first place?


60 posted on 10/13/2009 1:38:31 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: TooFarGone; Behemoth the Cat; wintertime
You are still free to exercise your religion, just not on my dime.

But we are expected to fund YOUR religion?

It goes both ways.

Your biggest defect in reasoning is thinking that the lack of religion is religiously neutral. It's not.

Atheism is a belief system and as such should not be supported by taxpayer dollars as you claim any belief system which recognizes a deity does.

You're grossly ignorant of what *endorsing* a religion is all about.

The Bill of Rights states...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

It is specifically CONGRESS which is specifically prohibited from doing something, that is making a law, which interferes with religious practice.

It doesn't say anything about any other institution. All it was intended to do was keep the government out of religion, protecting it, and keep it from establishing a mandatory state church as existed in England in the Church of England at the time.

Recognizing a God, permitting the free exercise of the individual's religion, is not establishment of religion. Demanding or prohibiting the membership and attendance at one particular denomination by the force of law, is.

You've never addressed the issue either of the fact that you want to restrict where the money goes even though those who are taxed are overwhelmingly religious. And yet you demand that the money only be spend on approved non-religious activities.

How socialist of you.

I propose that we tax the atheists and deny them the use of the money and give it to private Christian schools and private Christian homeschoolers and the atheists can stuff it if they don't like it.

Kind of works both ways, dontcha know.

65 posted on 10/13/2009 2:13:45 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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