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To: TooFarGone

You doing what you want in regards to religion works for me (and you)just fine. I’m not the judge of what isn’t or is done in the public schools. The law is the judge and if we follow the law then the state can not affect the establishment of any religious view in the public schools. That’s not me; that’s the law.


Recognizing God isn’t an “establishment of religion”.

A judge that hijacks the judicial system and ignores the Constitution to advance an ideology of secular humanism over the wishes of a majority of society, that incidentally was founded in the first place on Judeo-Christian ideology, isn’t “the law”.

And where’s the “free exercise thereof”???? That part always tends to get left out curiously in these public school ideological arguments. How convenient!

BTW...does this premise of yours get to work when creationists point out “the law”, you know the ultimate authority, THE law, God’s Word, biblical scripture...

you know, when anyone that understands scripture is attacked and called racist or a hater and so forth when it comes to origins/creation...?

or is this just another case of liberals making up rules they don’t intend to keep themselves?

Christians understand we answer to a higher authority than a liberal judge. And we don’t buy that a liberal judge, is “the law”.

So no...that’s not “the law”,

that’s epic fail.

We don’t buy it.

Public schools don’t belong to liberals. Not anymore than science does.


177 posted on 10/14/2009 6:45:19 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther
so recognizing your belief in “the” god (as in yours is real and all the other beliefs in ‘their’ god is wrong/misguided/justalittleoff/etc.) isn't the foundation of your religion? If it isn't then what would you say is the foundation of your religion?
See, ask questions to try to understand, have the respect to let the other opinion type their own words-give it a try . .
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teaching about your specific god creation myth is establishment of religion, specifically one god creation myth among many. a public school is not allowed to back a specific god or specific religion, yes?

“ignores the Constitution” which part exactly?

“to advance an ideology of secular humanism” this term always throws me. If it means anything that doesn't start with a god or doesn't mention a non-scientific belief in a science class then it would mean anything that doesn't fit into your specific argue-from-a-conclusion god & religion based on said trappings of said god. Then where's the tolerance for anything outside your view?

“the wishes of a majority of society” so are we a Constitutional Republic based on the rights of every individual to pursue their own happiness without the federal government, the state, or the public school sponsoring a particular god creation myth? or are those rights subject to democratic mob 51% rule? I thought those rights were supreme to any democratic whims? I thought we have those rights just by showing up to the societal table.

“founded in the first place on Judeo-Christian ideology” where in the Constitution is there any mention of J-C ideology that is not also mentioned in stable societies that pre-date J-C beginnings? These were religious men and these were also men of the Enlightenment. (side note-it always struck me as curious that one can claim that the founding of a government based on the supreme rights of the individual could be laid at the feet of a religion that is a dictatorship, supposedly benevolent, where all the rights belong to a god who doles them out as he/she/it sees fit to human individuals.)

“free exercise thereof” kids can pray in school. they are free to read their divinely inspired books. They can talk about their books. or not. Isn't it O.K. that some do and some don't, but all are free to choose? It seems that some are just not comfortable with the idea that others don't want to hear about their unscientific beliefs in a science class. Indifference is not persecution.

“you know the ultimate authority, THE law, God’s Word, biblical scripture” I would simply ask you for the provable facts upon which you make this statement. I really don't think you want to start in on the ‘this is a good bible quote, but that's an evil ( o yea Epicurus) bible quote-i sure do not’

“Christians understand we answer to a higher authority than a liberal judge.” are you comfortable that christians answer to a higher authority or does everyone have to recognize this higher authority? See, I don't care what higher authority you want to answer to, and it's none of your business what I do or don't answer to-Constitutionally speaking.

“Public schools don’t belong to liberals. Not anymore than science does.” and I'm a conservative stone-cold 10th amendment patriot that recognizes that evolution by means of natural selection is the best scientific explanation of how things evolved- what does that make me?

182 posted on 10/14/2009 8:12:28 PM PDT by TooFarGone (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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